Friday, November 10, 2006

NO 4-EYE MEETING Between ABDULLAH /MAHATHIR at National Heart Institute (IJN); END of CRTICISM from MAHATHIR? Rafidah’s & Brenda’s Relentless ATTACKS

Tun Dr Mahathir, speaking to interviewing team said: "So far so good; No UMNO General Assembly Meeting; on Doctor's orders. I will rest"
UPDATE: Nov 11 06; 19:45hrs

"I Want To Rest After This," Says Dr Mahathir; November 11, 2006 17:50 PM
By Ahmad Kamil Tahir

KUALA LUMPUR, Nov 11 (Bernama) -- Former Prime Minister Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad, who is being treated at the National Heart Institute (IJN), plans to take complete rest for several weeks, including staying away from the Umno General Assembly on Monday. "I want to rest...not making any statement...hope the (Umno) assembly runs smoothly," he said in an interview with Bernama and Radio Television Malaysia (RTM) Saturday, two days after being admitted to the IJN after complaining of chest pain at home. Dr Mahathir, who was wearing a short-sleeved shirt and long pants, appeared in high spirit although his condition was rather weak during the 20-minute interview.

Tun Dr Siti Hasmah Mohd Ali.: "After the attack happened, I immediately informed the Doctor, alerted the Driver, and later he was sent to IJN"

Accompanying him was his wife, Tun Dr Siti Hasmah Mohd Ali. Dr Mahathir said it was fortunate that he had sought immediate treatment as soon as he had the mild heart attack, and this had enabled the specialist doctors to dilute the blood clot in his coronary artery.

"The heart attack was mild but I came early, three hours after the attack...they (the doctors) managed to dilute the clot and there was no blockage.


Deputy priemier Najib:" He is in high spirits and doing well"

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Abdullah being such a kind hearted soul (he even visited the sick Datuk Partiban in KL Hospital during Raya time) was disappointed when he arrived at IJN and was told he could not see his enemy No 1 (or he refused to see him; SEE Bernama's REPORT BELOW (Nov 10, 12.41pm) – Tun Mahathir Still Under Observationto be fine and appeared cheerful yesterday afternoon” i.e. during Abdullah visit at 2.15pm). So there was NO 4-Eye meeting in the ward except a 15 min chit chat with IJN’s CEO & the Chief cardiologist on Dr Mahathir’s condition, after suffering a “mild heart attack”. This probably resulted from the strenuous journey (11 hrs ) coming back from NZ after giving a talk in Wellington . Apparently the doctors "gave" strict instructions that Dr M should not be disturbed not even by the country’s No 1 man. If there is someone inside with him, surely another one would not harm him!

It was a big rebuff and this probably signals the end of Mahathir’s further criticism if he wants to value his life and extend it. His heart attacks might also be due to the continuing attacks on him by Rafidah & Brenda just before the UMNO assembly (which he has indicated he wants to attend) If he had read Rafidah’s and Brenda’s comments, his attack would have been more massive.
However the DAP Leader WAS LUCKY on Friday and so were many others who came a calling .



"He was sitting on a chair"

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ABOVE:But at least Mokhzani Mahathir was there to see Abdullah

Abdullah Visits Mahathir At IJN ;November 09, 2006 21:47 PM

KUALA LUMPUR, Nov 9 (Bernama) -- Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi Thursday visited former Prime Minister Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad who is now undergoing treatment at the National Heart Institute (IJN) here. The Prime Minister spent about 15 minutes at the institute. On arrival at 2.15pm, the Prime Minister was received by IJN's Chief Executive Officer Mohd Radzif Mohd Yunus and the institute's cardiologist Dr Sanjiv Joshi. Abdullah was later ushered to the first floor, but reporters and photographers were not allowed to cover his visit. Mohd Radzif and Dr Sanjiv later briefed the Prime Minister on Dr Mahathir's condition. Dr Mahathir was admitted for mild heart attack after complaining of chest pains at his house in Seri Kembangan early Thursday. Dr Mahathir, who was placed at the Coronary Care Unit (CCU) was asleep when the prime minister visited him Thursday afternoon. He had been put under mild sedation by doctors to allow him to get enough rest.

According to his son Datuk Mokhzani, "For the time being and for the next 48 hours, very unlikely anyone will be allowed to visit my father” Abdullah left the IJN at about 2.30pm without speaking to reporters who were waiting at the lobby to get the latest development on Dr Mahathir. Dr Mahathir, who turns 81 next month, complained of mild chest pains between 3am and 4am Thursday and was admitted to the CCU for observation. "His condition is stable and he is expected to be kept under observation for one week," IJN said in a statement. Dr Mahathir had a coronary artery bypass surgery in 1989. He had been having his regular medical check-ups at the institute, where he was last admitted in December last year. Dr Mahathir has been advised to rest and will only receive visits from immediate family members. In 1999, Dr Mahathir had also been admitted to IJN to rest and undergo full treatment for a lung infection which he suffered after returning from performing the haj.
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KUALA LUMPUR, Nov 9 (Bernama) -- Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi Thursday visited former Prime Minister Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad who is now undergoing treatment at the National Heart Institute (IJN) here. The Prime Minister spent about 15 minutes at the institute. On arrival at 2.15pm, the Prime Minister was received by IJN's chief executive officer Mohd Radzif Mohd Yunus and the institute's cardiologist Dr Sanjiv Joshi. Abdullah was later ushered to the first floor, but reporters and photographers were not allowed to cover his visit.


ABOVE: Abdullah leaving without 4-EYE meeting & refused to talk to newsmen

The premier left the IJN about 2.30pm without speaking to reporters who were waiting at the lobby to get the latest development on Dr Mahathir. The former premier was admitted for mild myocardial infarction (mild heart attack), according to a IJN statement. Dr Mahathir who turns 81 next month, complained of mild chest pains in the early hours today and was then admitted to the Coronary Care Unit (CCU) for observation, the IJN said.

"His condition is stable and he is expected to be kept under observation for one week," it said. Dr Mahathir had a coronary artery bypass surgery in 1989. He had been having his regular medical check-ups at the institute, where he was last admitted in December last year. Dr Mahathir has been advised to rest and will only receive visits from immediate family members. In 1999, Dr Mahathir was also admitted to IJN to rest and undergo full treatment for a lung infection which he suffered after returning from performing the Haj.
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Dr M Under Sedation And Resting, Says Mokhzani; November 09, 2006 18:44 PM
KUALA LUMPUR, Nov 9 (Bernama) -- Former Prime Minister Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad, who was admitted to the National Heart Institute (IJN) for chest pains early Thursday, has been put under mild sedation by doctors and is resting, his son, Datuk Mokhzani, said. "For the time being and for the next 48 hours, very unlikely anyone will be allowed to visit my father," he said. Mokhzani said even Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi, who visited Dr Mahathir Thursday afternoon, was not allowed into the Coronary Care Unit (CCU) by doctors to meet his father. The Prime Minister only spoke to me and the doctors. He was concerned about the well-being of my father and asked the doctors to do everything possible," he told a horde of reporters waiting at the IJN lobby since the news about Dr Mahathir's admission to the premier heart centre spread like wild fire. Abdullah, who arrived at 2.15pm, spent about 15 minutes at the IJN and was briefed by IJN's Chief Executive Officer Mohd Radzif Mohd Yunus and cardiologist Dr Sanjiv Joshi on Dr Mahathir's condition. "Right now he is fine... he is resting and under medication. As far as the doctors are concerned, he is doing okay and stable. "It was a mild heart attack. The doctors said it only affected the left side of his heart... he is now on medication. There is no plan to do anything invasive. There is no stroke, no nothing," he said. Mokhzani said the doctors told him the treatment they have given Dr Mahathir was effective to alleviate the discomfort he was feeling earlier.

He said his father started complaining of chest pain at about 11.30pm Wednesday night and a doctor from IJN Datuk Nasir Muda came to the house at 3am to give initial treatment before Dr Mahathir was rushed to the institute at 4.30am. On how his mother, Tun Dr Siti Hasmah Mohd Ali, was coping with the situation, Mokhzani said his mother had a strong heart in facing the situation. "My mother has face it before... she is a tough woman. Previously, when my father was admitted in the hospital, she will check in and out with my father, she will never leave the hospital," he said. On whether Dr Mahathir could attend the Umno General Assembly beginning Monday, Mokhzani said he was sure his father would follow exactly what the doctors advised him.

"I think if the doctor says he has to rest here, then he has to rest here. That is priority," he added. Earlier, IJN, in a statement, said the former premier was admitted for mild myocardial infarct (mild heart attack). Dr Mahathir, who turns 81 next month, complained of mild chest pains in the early hours Thursday and was admitted to the CCU for observation, it said. "His condition is stable and he is expected to be kept under observation for one week," it said. Dr Mahathir had a coronary artery bypass surgery in 1989. He has been having his regular medical check-ups at IJN where he was last admitted in December last year. Dr Mahathir has been advised to rest and will receive visits only from immediate family members. Dr Mahathir was also admitted at the IJN in 1999 to rest and undergo full treatment for a lung infection he suffered after returning from performing the Haj
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Tun Mahathir Still Under Observation; November 10, 2006 12:41 PM
KUALA LUMPUR, Nov 10 (Bernama) -- Former Prime Minister Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad, who was warded at the National Heart Institute (IJN) here early yesterday after complaining of chest pains, is still under medical observation. However, IJN Corporate Communications manager Alawiyah Yussof when contacted by Bernama said no latest information was available from the doctors on Dr Mahathir's health condition.

"The latest information may be available by noon," she said. Alawiyah said for now, visits were still limited to immediate family members. Dr Mahathir was placed at the IJN Coronary Care Unit (CCU) after complaining of chest pains between 3am and 4am yesterday. He was reported to be fine and appeared cheerful yesterday afternoon after being placed under sedation and was resting.
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Tun Dr Mahathir warded at the Cardiovascular Unit at IJN, KL (nearby Hospital KL)

Mahathir Admitted To IJN For Mild Heart Attack ; November 09, 2006 12:33 PM
KUALA LUMPUR, Nov 9 (Bernama) -- Former prime minister Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad has been admitted to the National Heart Institute (IJN) here Thursday for mild myocardial infarction (mild heart attack). Dr Mahathir, who will be 81 next month, had complained of mild chest pains in the early hours today and was then admitted to the Coronary Caren Unit (CCU) for observation, IJN said in a statement here. His condition is stable and he is expected to be kept under observation for one week. Dr Mahathir had a coronary artery bypass surgery in 1989. According to IJN, the former prime minister had been having his regular medical check-ups at the institute, where he was last admitted in December last year. Dr Mahathir has been advised to rest and will only receive visits from immediate family members. "IJN will periodically issue statements to update on Tun's condition as and when there is a need," it said. Meanwhile, an aide of the former prime minister said Dr Mahathir had complained of chest pains at his house between 3am and 4am today. He said Dr Mahathir left New Zealand on Monday and had only returned home yesterday. Last evening he attended a function with Umno Youth here. Prior to that, Dr Mahathir made a trip to Jeddah, left Malaysia on Friday and returned home on Sunday, the aide added. In 1999, he was also admitted to IJN to rest and undergo full treatment for a lung infection which he suffered after returning from performing the Haj.
Dr Mahathir, Malaysia's fourth Prime Minister, retired in 2003 after 22 years in office.

Upon his retirement, he was appointed adviser to several government agencies including the national oil corporation Petronas, national car manufacturer Proton, Langkawi Development Authority (Lada) and Tioman Development Authority.
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Rafidah: Deliberate With Constructive Criticism, No Rash Allegations; November 08, 2006 00:34 AM

KUALA LUMPUR, Nov 8 (Bernama) -- "Criticise but let it be a constructive one" is the advice by Wanita Umno chief Datuk Seri Rafidah Abdul Aziz to delegates participating in the debate at the party's general assembly next week. Her other advice is for delegates to give suggestions which are "reasonable and acceptable by the leaders". "They can raise issues concerning some people without embarrassing them ... there is no need to embarrass the person if the matter to be raised is of public interest," she said in a special interview here today. Rafidah, who is also International Trade and Industry Minister, said any proposal or suggestion raised should be meaningful and criticism made should be based on facts obtained from a thorough study. For example, at last year's Umno general assembly, there was a suggestion for each division to be given 40 Approved Permits (AP) to import cars a year, which can be likened to "asking the Malays to learn to sell APs, mortgage contracts and (engage in the) Ali Baba (scheme)". "Alas, it is back to the old ways. We want to teach the Malays to do business through franchise seriously, with contract. Even that is criticised," she said. Rafidah also advised delegates to avoid using foul or obscene language, making dirty remarks simply for fun and rash allegations although "they can joke to make the function merrier". The movement's leader since 1984, except for three years (between Oct 9, 1996 and May 9, 2000) when she failed to retain her post in the party election, said: "As Muslims, we should not insult or embarrass another person. ”We should remember that religion does not condone humiliation of another person," said Rafidah, who celebrated her 63rd birthday on Nov 4. Rafidah, who joined Umno in 1970, said that this time around the motion to be debated by the movement would be the same as those by the Umno general assembly which comprised a motion on the policy speech by the movement's leader, on economy and education as well as religious and social issues. She however said that she had yet to be inspired as to the issues to be raised in her policy speech at the assembly as well as the representatives to table and debate motion by the movement. Asked on the hot issues to be raised at the assembly, Rafidah said she could not anticipate "but according to trends and observations, the Wanita delegates will raise issues relating to former prime minister Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad's criticism of the government and the country's leadership". Besides issues on Malay interests and the Malay agenda, which are closely related to issues on language and race, there will also be issues on religion, including on apostasy as well as cases of wives left by their husbands, she added. Asked whether she expected the issue on APs to be raised again at this year's assembly, Rafidah said the matter was no longer an issue for Wanita Umno because she had explained the matter to the members.
In fact, recently she had instructed her officer to "dig into all files and to release each and every working paper on the distribution of the APs, including minutes of meetings, the decisions that were made not by me but by the committee (on AP)". "Explain to Prime Minister (Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi) so that he can sleep tight on the believe that everything is well. For me... I cannot accept anyone who questions my integrity.

"I can be criticised on the way I administer or about my way, go ahead criticise, I do not care, but do not smear and touch on my integrity because I have taken my oath of office (before the holy Koran).
"However, for the last time (when she responded to the issue) in religion, slander is a more serious offence than murder, and to me, all accusations hurled at me, including that one (where she was accused of corruption in the issuing of the APs), are all libellous," she said. Touching on Wanita Umno's struggle so far, Rafidah said she was satisfied with the opportunities provided to the women in the country who had since helmed various high posts, the latest being those of vice-chancellors of Universiti Kebangsaan Malaysia and Universiti Malaya, as well as the presence of three women ministers in the Cabinet.
Now the movement is seeking the government to upgrade the status of the Syariah Court similar to that of the same level as the Civil Courts to allow for syariah court judges to receive the same salaries and benefits, she said, adding that a working paper on the matter had been submitted to the Cabinet several months ago.
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Rafidah Says She Hits Out At Dr Mahathir Because Of His Rash Accusations; November 07, 2006 23:29 PM

KUALA LUMPUR, Nov 7 (Bernama) -- Wanita Umno chief Datuk Seri Rafidah Aziz said Tuesday she had to counter the open criticism of Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad against the government because it was "rash and tarnished the image of Umno and the government". She said that as a member of the Cabinet it was her responsibility to counter Dr Mahathir's criticism that the Cabinet was apparently "half-past six", and that she could not accept the ridicule. "I would be stupid to accept wrong accusations," she said in commenting on the allegations of certain quarters that she apparently did not give due respect to Dr Mahathir when she was the one who had been most supportive of the former prime minister at one time. Rafidah was the first person to rush to the rostrum to coax Dr Mahathir to withdraw his announced retirement at the 2002 Umno general assembly, to the extent that she broke the heel of a shoe. "As part of the current Cabinet, I have principles. What is right is right, what is not is not," she said in a special interview at her office. "If the accusations are rash and incorrect and are directed at Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi and the present Cabinet and government, it will be too difficult to accept them," she said. "We do not blindly support anyone. If the leader is good and can be trusted, it is not a problem. But we must know our limits (in supporting a leader)," she said. Rafidah, who is Minister of International Trade and Industry, said that since Dr Mahathir began criticising the government, she has often been questioned by foreign politicians thus: "Why has Tun (Dr Mahathir) become like that? Why does he criticise the government that he has led before?" She said she had no answers to these questions. Asked about the sentiment of Wanita Umno members towards the issue of Dr Mahathir's criticism of the government, Rafidah said Wanita Umno was loyal to leaders.
"For us, party unity is important, and it is improper for anyone to make open criticisms which clearly belittle the present Umno government and undermine the interests of Malays themselves. "When one criticises the party leadership and government helmed by the Malays, it is similar to criticising our own race, and it will tarnish our image in the eyes of outsiders," she said.

Rafidah said that as far as Wanita Umno was concerned, there were many channels to raise problems and issues with the government and such means should be employed by a former leader (than making open criticisms). "It is not difficult for him to telephone or communicate one-to-one with the present leaders on any issue (that he wants to raise)," she said.
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BRENDAN’S PARTING SHOTS: Tun Dr Mahathir Hitting ABDULLAH BELOW The Belt By Character Assassination; DISCREDIT & DESTABLISE His Government

A vicious personal verbal attack, especially one intended to destroy or damage a public figure's reputation.
Brendan Pereira on Monday: No one can win this clash of the year; From NST; 06 Nov 2006

SO much has been written and spoken about the clash of the year. With a week to go before this battle reaches a crescendo at the Umno general assembly, it may be timely to revisit some of the key points of.
Caution: those above 18 who do not believe in freedom of speech or d ssenting opinions should avoid reading this column.
What motivated the attack?

Personal interest, nothing else. In the early days, the bile-dipped arrows came packaged as the impassioned plea of a former prime minister concerned over the future of the country. But over time, all pretence was dropped.
Dr Mahathir believed that he had put in place all the policies and projects that Malaysia needed. All he needed was to find a successor who would warm the top seat in the house and not tinker too much. He believed that in mild-mannered Abdullah he had found a caretaker who would safeguard his legacy and just follow the old template.
His statement to TIME recently is an eye-opener: "I thought that I have done most of the things that will serve us for the next 100 years ... All that remains is for people to just continue. Don’t reverse what has already been done." The irony of this whole sad episode is this: the PM has deep respect and love for Dr Mahathir. But he did not see himself as a seat warmer.
Why have the attacks become more personal?
Simple. Dr Mahathir wants to re-define the public perception of Abdullah. Most Malaysians see the PM as someone with a strong spine, someone who is clean, someone with a strong moral compass, someone who believes in a more open and transparent country. These qualities and an election manifesto which caught the imagination of many helped Abdullah and the Barisan Nasional win a strong mandate in March 2004.
As long as Abdullah’s image remains intact, mud catapulted at him would not have stuck. So in recent weeks, the attacks have been designed to paint the PM as someone who encourages nepotism and who tolerates corruption. Dr Mahathir has also criticised Islam Hadhari. "He is almost a saint who is free from any human weaknesses or wrongs," said Dr Mahathir. That is the image he is seeking to re-define.
Was there a tipping point in the attack?
Arguably, the tipping point came just after the peace talks between Dr Mahathir and Abdullah on Oct 22. Remember both of them agreed to the four-eye meeting because that was what the ground wanted. Barely 24 hours after the two-hour meeting, the former prime minister unleashed his most intense attack on Abdullah, questioning his integrity and even mocking the way he took notes. For the fence-sitters, this fusillade of criticism was a clear signal that Dr Mahathir wasn’t interested in any compromise with the PM. He shared no common ground with Abdullah and went into the meeting looking to knock the PM into submission. Not the Hari Raya gift many people were hoping for.
Most stinging comment uttered by Dr Mahathir
It was only three words but they were designed to hurt and create doubt on Abdullah’s strongest quality — his integrity. After suggesting that the PM was involved in the United Nations food-for-aid programme in Iraq, he was asked his assessment of Abdullah’s personal honesty and integrity.

"I don’t know," said Dr Mahathir, despite knowing that a UN inquiry
And the winner is...

Nobody. Sure, Dr Mahathir has hurt himself badly in this attack. He has come across as uncharitable, vindictive and even untruthful to some. His statement that he was willing to hold his tongue if the half-bridge to Singapore was built has come across as self-serving.

His attempts to chisel himself as someone who embraced openness seemed
surreal.

Still, only someone on magic mushrooms would argue that Abdullah has come through this spat unscathed. His record since becoming the PM has been run through the grinder and the spotlight has been shone on unfulfilled promises from the election manifesto.

What to expect at the Umno assembly
There will be a conscious effort not to allow the Dr Mahathir issue dominate the annual gathering of Umno delegates. The consensus is that the party should give the leadership unvarnished feedback about expectations not met. At the same time, members will rally around Abdullah.
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Dr M Must Accept That Leaderships Differ, Says Kelantan MB ; November 05, 2006 18:40 PM

KOTA BAHARU, Nov 5 (Bernama) -- Kelantan Menteri Besar Datuk Nik Abdul Aziz Nik Mat said Sunday Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad should accept the fact that the way he ran the government may not necessarily be similar to the leadership style of Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi. The PAS spiritual leader said the former prime minister would surely realise that every leader has his own way of resolving problems. "Tun (Dr Mahathir) must accept the fact there will be a difference between the previous and present governments," he told a news conference at his official residence here, one day after his discharge from hospital where he was treated for five days for a bout of flu. Nik Aziz said it was not necessarily so that every new government must continue with the programmes planned by the previous government because action must be taken according to the time and situation. "Even in my case, when I retire, the person who will come after me may not necessarily emulate my style (of administration) 100 per cent," he said. Nik Aziz also called for the extreme criticism levelled at Dr Mahathir to be stopped as a mark of respect for a leader who has led the government for 22 years. He said that though PAS was an opposition party that could benefit from the current scenario in Umno, it was not comfortable with the matter getting prolonged. He said the spat between Dr Mahathir and Abdullah should be stopped immediately without any intervention
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P S Now stop AUTOMATICALLY

Tuesday, November 07, 2006

MORE PICS-MONGOLIAN 30’S ANNA ANA ANG Killed; BODY Blown UP with Grenade in SUBANG DAM; High Profile Malaysian Lover + 2 CHIEF Inspectors +1 ARRESTED

Thanks ALL (thousands) for Visiting, Check any Ads you fancy; Stay tune, for further updates to come in the days ahead.
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(for those 1st time here , read till the bottom page and continue from the link to the new post)

if you have been here before.....continue to next post (PART 2 ) H E R E (on the MURDER OF MONGOLIAN Altantuya Shaariibuu @ Aminah (Model Name - ANNA ANA ANG))

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UPDATE 9: Nov 12th 03:15 hrs
DNA Results To Be Known Next Week, Says IGP; November 12, 2006 00:22 AM


KUALA LUMPUR, Nov 12 (Bernama) -- Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Musa Hassan said Saturday results of the DNA tests in the investigation of the gruesome murder of Altantuya Shaariibu @ Aminah, 28, would be known next week. "So far, the police cannot confirm whether the remains were of Altantuya until the DNA test results are known," he told reporters after an inspector trainee squad alumni ceremony here. The police took blood samples from six people to assist in the investigation of the killing of the Mongolian freelance model who was believed to have been shot dead, and her body blown up with explosives at Tasik Subang Dam, Puncak Alam, Shah Alam, some two weeks ago. Those who took the DNA tests were the victim's parents Shaariibuu Mash-Muj and Altansetseg, both in their 50's, and four detainees, namely a political analyst, 46, a police chief inspector, a female lance corporal and a constable. The test was to determine the identity of the victim, whose remains were collected by the forensic unit at the dam area several days ago. Asked how soon would the police resolve the case, Musa replied: "Give us some time."
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UPDATE 8: Nov 11th 21:45 hrs (Pics loaded from Satellite)

Altantunya's Family Believes She Is Still Alive ; November 11, 2006 18:41 PM

PETALING JAYA, Nov 11 (Bernama) -- The family of Mongolian model, Altantuya Shaariibuu @ Aminah, 28, who is believed to have been gruesomely murdered two weeks ago, strongly believes that she is still alive. Altantuya's father Shariibuu Setev, who arrived here yesterday, in his first meeting with the press here today, said that it was still too early to assume that the skeletal remains found by the police a week ago at a secluded spot near the Subang Dam in Puncak Alam, Shah Alam is Altantunya's. "We have to wait for the DNA results to prove that it is her's.

Altantuya's father Shariibuu Setev( ABOVE Right) spoke in Mongolian and was translated by AMY (Left) and the Consul announced the remarks

Until today I and my family believe that she is still alive...we are hoping that the remains that were found are not her's. "At the moment we can't ascertain anything, as the police only managed to find fragments of bones. Wait until the police complete their investigations," the teary eyed 56-year-old told a packed crowd of reporters and photographers at Mongolian Honarary Consul's office in Sunway Damansara, here. Shariibuu, who is also National University of Mongolia's Centre of Information and Education director, described his daughter as a loving, educated, caring and adorable person, and that he did not expect such a thing could have happened to her. He said that Altantuya was a graduate teacher who also worked as a translator in Ulaan Bataar (Mongolia's capital) as she was proficient in English, Russian, Mandarin and Mongolian languages. She had lived in Russia until 12 years old. "My daughter also worked in a travel agency and as a part time model. She used to travel overseas for business engagements. "The last time I saw her was on Oct 7 before she left Mongolia and after that I tried calling her several times but failed to contact her," he said. Shaariibuu said that he was satisfied with the way the Malaysian police were investigating the case and hoped that the probe would be transparent and thorough. He said that he had come on the invitation of the Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Musa Hassan, to help facilitate investigations into the case.

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Is this Altantuya Modelling?

The STAR Newspaper and other media has been emailed the following pic.

Is this Altantuya Modelling?
For more details of body & leg, go here PETALING JAYA: An email containing pictures of a model who looks strikingly like the murdered Mongolian model Altantuya Shaariibuu has been making the rounds, including to the media. The email has a subject entitled Altantuya@Mongolia. No one seems to be able to confirm if the pictures are that of Altantuya or otherwise. It will all be confirmed or denied today when her father, who is in town, meets the Press for the first time.

Those pictures first published by STAR News paper & Sunday Times & other media and also displayed by TV 3 have been exposed by STOMPer Hyein Lee (check here and get the Link to the Korean Site) She is a young 24-year-old Korean Pop Star (Lee Hae Ryeon; May 3rd, 1981; Physique : 167cm, 48kg; Education : Department of Drama and Film, Kyunghee University, Korea)



U;nee (as ABOVE) who is very much alive and well.
U;nee is currently an actress (TV dramas and movies) and a singer (who has two albums) in Korea. It was a publicity stunt from her promoter perhaps. In fact Mr Shaariibuu’s niece, Amy, who was also present at the press conference, states, “We do not know who the woman in these pictures is"


Finally the Mongolian Consul chipped in and said: "You are asking too many questions and the old man is confused. As far as I am concerned, there is ONLY one, the 2nd one in the Papers (BELOW)
So ladies & gentlemen, the above model is alive and well in Korea

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Is this Altantuya Modelling?
For more details of body & leg, go here

PETALING JAYA: An email containing pictures of a model who looks strikingly like the murdered Mongolian model Altantuya Shaariibuu has been making the rounds, including to the media. The email has a subject entitled Altantuya@Mongolia. No one seems to be able to confirm if the pictures are that of Altantuya or otherwise. It will all be confirmed or denied today when her father, who is in town, meets the Press for the first time.

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Analyst Admitted To Hosptal For Asthma And Lung Problems

ABOVE; Lawyer Datuk Mohd Shafee Abdullah said that his client was not aware he had asthma problems, and was admitted at 8 pm in the intensive care unit

BELOW: Streams of family cars were seen arriving at the Hospital KL in Jalan Pahang, at the heart of Kuala Lumpur, the capital of Malaysia
KUALA LUMPUR, Nov 11 (Bernama) -- The prominent political analyst remanded to assist police investigations into the gruesome murder of Mongolian model Altantuya Shaariibuu @ Aminah, 28, has been admitted to the Kuala Lumpur Hospital (HKL) for asthma and lung oedema (water in the lungs) after complaining of chest pains. He was taken to the HKL emergency unit at 8pm yesterday under heavy guard with three policemen and eight plain clothes officers accompanying him. It is understood that he has been warded at the Coronary Care Unit (CCU) on the fourth floor the hospital.


The family members, including the wife came and visited and stayed until almost 2 am before they left

Police were stationed all over the floor for safety and security reasons and to keep the media at bay. Friday, the analyst was taken to the HKL together with a police Chief Inspector, a constable and a woman Lance Corporal for DNA sample testing. According to the analyst's counsel, Datuk Muhammad Shafee Abdullah, the analyst was not aware he had asthma.


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UPDATE 8(a) M O R E stories & Pics coming

The latest information and news:

1, Suspect gave DNA sample; 3 investigators were also asked to do so
2. Mongolian Consul in AP interview stated they were lovers (not married) & child is not his; police found wrist watch, earrings and ring at crime scene. Consul also gave a police statement
3. Calls for independent enquiry on this high profile murder by local opposition politicians and NGOs
UPDATE 8: Nov 11th 00:45 hrs

Political Analyst Gives DNA Sample At HKL; November 10, 2006 21:45 PM

ABOVE & BELOW: The analyst being ushered out of the 4WD vehicle, his profile remains recognisable

ABOVE: Analyst being ushered into the 4WD Vehicle (BELOW)

(MORE pics of Private investigators at hospital)

KUALA LUMPUR, Nov 10 (Bernama) -- The prominent political analyst remanded to assist police investigation in the gruesome murder of Mongolian model Altantuya Shaariibuu @ Aminah, 28, was Friday taken to the Kuala Lumpur Hospital (HKL) for DNA sample testing. Dressed in a short sleeve short, the analyst who was unkempt wore a worried face as he alighted from the blue police four-wheeled drive (4WD) vehicle at the HKL emergency department at 11.55am accompanied by three policemen. On arrival, they rushed into the emergency department, much to the dismay of a posse of local journalists and photographers who had been waiting for new developments on the case.

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A constable with the Bukit Aman escort branch and BELOW: The chief inspector from the Special Action Unit,
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ABOVE: The unmistable Police woman lance corporal
from the Petaling Jaya police (with Pony tail) and BELOW: The Mercedes (heavily tinted) carry the victim's father and Consul at the Hospital. No one managed to get a pic of Anna's Father (who also brought in blood samples from Mongolia)

A police Chief Inspector, a constable and a woman Lance Corporal, remanded over the same case arrived in a white van just minutes later. A police source said the analyst and three police personnel were taken to HKL so that testing on their DNA samples could be done as part of the ongoing investigation. Pressmen who had waited since early morning for new developments on the murder case were once again frustrated when the suspects left HKL using the rear exit at
1.45pm.

The hospital and police refused to give details as to when and where testing of the DNA samples were conducted. Thursday, the magistrate's court remanded until Monday, two private investigators to assist police in the investigation under Section 506 of the Penal Code, for extortion. Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi was also concerned with the case and asked police to conduct a thorough investigation of the high-profile case followed keenly by the foreign media. Meanwhile, the honorary consul of Mongolia in Malaysia, Datuk Syed Abdul Rahman al-Habshi arrived early at the City Police Headquarters here Friday to have his statement recorded. Syed Abdul Rahman arrived around 7.30am in a police car to give his statement on the 28-year-old model, whose gruesome murder has been tied to the political analyst whom she alleged had a relationship with. He did not leave until around 12.45 in the afternoon, when a black Mercedes with heavily tinted windows was seen entering the police headquarters. Reporters who have been waiting over six hours for the chance to interview him was deeply disappointed when he promptly got into the car and left some 20 minutes later. When contacted by Bernama later, Syed Abdul Rahman said he had given full cooperation to the police and relevant information requested including that on the victim, her family and their arrival.
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from AP interview

Syed Abdul Rahman Alhabshi, citing accounts from two cousins of the woman, said she had been Abdul Razak's lover but not the father of her 16-month-old son. "I can confirm that the son is not Razak Baginda's son ...
Altantuya also never said that," he said. "Yes, they were lovers. They travelled to
Europe, to Shanghai, China, Hong Kong, South Africa ... Her parents sent me the itinerary of the travel." He said Abdul Razak had paid for Altantuya to visit Malaysia in 2005. The consul said Altantuya re-entered Malaysia on October 6 intending to ask Abdul Razak for money to send her sick son for surgery in South Korea. "She was desperate because she wanted the child to have a cure. She comes from a good family, so she didn't do this. Whatever they say is not true," he said, referring to reports she had tried to blackmail the analyst. The consul said Altantuya, who disappeared on October 19, had tracked down Abdul Razak's home and office addresses using a private detective and that he had tried to avoid her. "They only managed to talk through the telephone," Syed Abdul Rahman said. "Maybe he wanted to end the relationship because this is his country. He's a reputable man." An articulate academic respected in Malaysia and abroad for his defence and politics analyses, Abdul Razak was educated in Britain. According to reports here he is married with one daughter.
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Murder of Mongolian model sparks calls for independent inquiry

KUALA LUMPUR AFP 10/11/2006 11:09

Rights groups and opposition politicians in Malaysia have demanded an independent investigation into the death of a Mongolian model whose body was blown up with hand grenades. The murder of Altantuya Shaariibuu, whose lover's political connections stretch to the top of the government, would shake public confidence in law enforcement, said Lim Kit Siang, an opposition lawmaker with the Democratic Action Party. "An independent investigation is very urgent so that there will be no room for the emergence of a culture of immunity for any wrong," Lim told АFР. "It does not speak well for the government," he said. He said the case also raised concerns about the "easy availability" of explosives. The model, 28, was kidnapped outside the home of Abdul Razak Baginda, who heads the Malaysian Strategic Research Centre think-tank. She was killed and her remains blown up with hand grenades and found in an isolated area south of the capital Kuala Lumpur. She disappeared on October 19. Abdul Razak, 46, was detained Tuesday as part of the police investigation and is being held in custody until Sunday. Three members of Malaysia's police force have also been arrested for alleged involvement in the murder along with two private investigators, the Star newspaper said Friday.

Mongolia's honourary consul Syed Abdul Rahman Alhabshi said the murdered woman's father had brought a blood sample to Malaysia to help investigators determine if the "bit and pieces of flesh and bones" found at the crime scene belonged to his daughter. "The police had recovered her watch, ring and earrings at the scene," he told АFР. "I am confident there will be no cover-up. Those involved in the murder must be punished severely," he said. The slaying has rocked the political establishment because the analyst, who had been the model's lover, is connected to a number of senior politicians including deputy premier Najib Razak, who is also defence minister.
Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi vowed Thursday there would be no cover-up over the murder. He said he had told Inspector-General of Police Musa Hassan "that he will have to investigate thoroughly and properly and follow the due process". "Nobody is above the law, that is important to remember," he said. " Whoever is found guilty, action will be taken according to the due process of law." Lim described the episode as a serious breakdown of law and order.

"This Mongolian case has raised a lot of concern and the easily availability of sensitive and dangerous materials. Something is very wrong in our society."

He called on the government to follow through with a pledge to set up an independent police complaints and misconduct commission. S. Arutchelvan, coordinator with the rights group Voice of the Malaysian People (SUARAM) added his voice to calls for a commission despite opposition from the police.

"How can they obtain the explosives so easily?" he said, adding that the case had sparked public concern. "We demand an independent inquiry. The public is worried ... the way it is done with so much confidence that the perpetrators believe the crime will not be found out," he said. Hatta Ramli, a member of the powerful central committee of the Islamic Party (PAS), said an independent body should be established to investigate the murder, and specifically the use of explosives in the attempt to dispose of the body.

"An independent inquiry into the misuse of explosives is urgently needed," he added.

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UPDATE 7: Nov 10th 19; 15hrs

Well the plot really thickens according to the SUN’s Report (see below); ALL 3 parties hired private e eye and investigators and one double cross the suspect’s wife (with higher fees) …read on.
And the bone framents found include - the backbone, knee-cap and ribs are with chemistry department.
Meanwhile, early morning, the Mongolian Embassy Consul was asked to record a statement of facts at police Hq (see below)

Political analyst remanded in model's murder probe; from S U N
Charles Ramendran & R. Surenthira Kumar

KUALA LUMPUR (Nov 8, 2006): The probe into the murder of a Mongolian model has deepened, with investigators revealing Hollywood-like drama shocks, twists and turns in events before her death. While the plot and motives of the murder are being determined and pieced together, several private investigators hired by the victim and the political analyst's wife are now playing a role in providing crucial information to the police. Sources said the analyst's wife had hired a private eye early last month to monitor her husband's movements, after she suspected that he could be two timing her. However, the private eye is believed to have two-timed her instead when he joined ranks with her husband, who allegedly doubled the fee he was earning from his wife. Sources said the private investigator was also given another task by the analyst - to spy on the Mongolian woman, Altantuya Shaariibuu, also known as Anna Ana Ang. Sources said she had also hired the services of private investigators to track down the analyst, who evaded her after she arrived in Malaysia in early October. When the probe into her death began following a police report over her disappearance, it was the victim's private eye who had the information which has since led to the progress of investigations into the case. One private investigator, who was hired by Ang, helped her cousin sister lodge a police report after her disappearance on Oct 19, the day she is believed to have been killed. Police have recorded a statement from all the private investigators involved in the case. Sources said with the four people in detention - the analyst, a police chief inspector and two corporals - the police are expected to be able to solve the case. The bone fragments, which included the backbone, knee-cap and ribs, recovered by forensics teams from the Subang Dam in Puncak Alam, Shah Alam, will be sent to the Chemistry Department to confirm if they belong to Ang. At least one immediate family member of the victim is expected to arrive in Malaysia to have blood samples taken for a DNA match.

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Honorary Consul Of Mongolia In Malaysia Gives Statement; November 10, 2006 18:19 PM KUALA LUMPUR, Nov 10 (Bernama) -- The honorary consul of Mongolia in Malaysia, Datuk Syed Abdul Rahman al-Habshi arrived early at the City Police Headquarters here Friday to have his statement recorded. Syed Abdul Rahman arrived around 7.30am in a police car to give his statement on 28-year-old Mongolian model Altantuya Shaariibuu, whose gruesome murder has been tied to a political analyst whom she alleged, had a relationship with. He did not leave until around 12.45 in the afternoon, when a black Mercedes with heavily tinted windows was seen entering the police headquarters. Reporters who have been waiting over six hours for the chance to interview him was deeply disappointed when he promptly got into the car and left some 20 minutes later. Bernama managed to get a glimpse of the passengers in the car as the door opened: the driver and a woman, believed to be Syed Abdul Rahman's wife. When contacted by Bernama later, Syed Abdul Rahman said he had given full cooperation to the police and relevant information requested including that on the victim, her family and their arrival. Meanwhile, at the Kuala Lumpur Hospital at around 1.30pm, the black Mercedes ridden by Syed Abdul Rahman was spotted by the media in front of the morgue a little too late. The car was mobbed by photographers hoping to get a photograph of Altantuya's father, who was believed to also be in the car at that time. However, no one was able to confirm. Altantuya was believed to have been shot before her body was blown up at Puncak Alam, Shah Alam nearly two weeks ago. On Nov 9, a political analyst have been remanded and is being investigated for abduction and wrongfully confining the victim. Three police personnel have also been remanded for investigation. Two of them are from the Special Action Squad and the other a woman lance corporal from the Petaling Jaya anti-vice unit. Altantuya arrived in Malaysia on Oct 9 with her sister and friend and had allegedly blackmailed the political analyst whom she had a relationship with, after he ended the affair. She appeared at his house in Damansara Heights three weeks ago but was prevented from seeing the analyst by security guards. She was last seen bundled into a car by two men and a woman. Altantuya's family is claiming that the relationship was mutual, backed with holidays together around Europe and South Africa, disproving the idea of blackmail. Her father has arrived from Mongolia Thursday night to ascertain if the remains found in Puncak Alam are that of his daughter's.


ABOVE: The suspect house is in Bukit Taman Bandaraya ? and BELOW: The police van who brought the suspect home to collect his laptop, check book and passport

ABOVE; The lawyer who had a brief meeting declared to reporters: "Even after today's meeting, I am even more confident" that he is NOT involved?
More pics ...

"I am very confident, 100% confident; he is Not involved; He gave 100% cooperation, gave his passport, laptop gave a full statement"

ANNA' SON & Father ARRIVED in KLIA last EVENING

(MORE UPDATE Coming soon: Lawyer of SUSPECT Claimed 100% sure Suspect not involved) There is a theory......we can guess without getting involved with facts (which is subjudice)

The story revealing is getting more and more intriguing.

Read today's STAR report (below) - stating the TWO private investigators were engaged by Suspect Razak;

BUT read th NST account on Nov 8; (at End of UPDATE 4; just before her PICTURE) below; NST said Suspect engage a "security consultant" and also Anna engage a "private insvestigator" an also a RANSOM of RM500,000 was demanded. Now the plot thickens; A bit of confusion. Who did the hit job? MORE (upload coming) to come with the lawyer's "words" and Pics that his suspect is "clear". The police have taken his check book, lap top, passport and the cctv recordings in the Malaya Hotel. What IF razak claimed he paid some money, and the greedy investigators took all and the life of Anna. So we see WHY the lawyer is so 100% confident.

AP quoted Mongolian Consul: Is the Child his son?: "She has a son, it's not his[Razak]: Were they married?: "They were lovers" and the story goes... The DNA test can prove whether it is his son or not.

Two more remanded for the murder of model; Friday November 10, 2006 ;STAR

KUALA LUMPUR: A private investigator and an ex-cop have been remanded to assist police in piecing together the story behind the brutal murder of Mongolian model Altantuya Shaariibuu. This brings to six the number of people remanded in connection with the case in which the model was shot and her body blown to bits with explosives in Shah Alam, including prominent and influential political analyst Abdul Razak Baginda.

The 46-year-old private investigator and 35-year-old ex-cop were remanded on ednesday at around 3.45pm. Magistrate Ahmad Solihin Abd Wahid ordered the two men to be remanded until Monday, coinciding with the last day of the remand orders issued against three police personnel earlier in connection with the case. The private investigator and the ex-policeman were believed to have been hired by Razak, who has been remanded until Sunday. The two men are being investigated under Section 506 of the Penal Code for criminal intimidation. It is learned that Altantuya had lodged a police report against them on Oct 19, claiming that they had threatened to throw her into jail. According to the Mongolian model’s report, they were alleged to have made the threats to her at 5am that day at Hotel Malaya where she was staying with her sister and cousin. That same evening, Altantuya was said to have gone to Razak’s house in Damansara Heights. It was also the last time the model’s sister and cousin heard from her.
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UPDATE 6: Nov 10th 2006; 08; 40hrs

Altantuya's Son Arrives; November 10, 2006 01:38 AM

KUALA LUMPUR, Nov 10 (Bernama) -- The son and father of Altantuya Shaariibuu @ Aminah, the Mongolian freelance model who was killed in a gruesome murder two weeks ago, arrived in Malaysia Thursday. According to a police source, the boy, who is now 16-months old, and her father together with about 10 other family members arrived at the KL International Airport (KLIA) at about 6pm. However, they managed to evade a horde of pressmen including from Bernama who had gathered at the airport since early Thursday evening until 10pm to interview the family. It is learnt that the family members were led out of the airport's arrival hall through another exit to avoid the media and also for security reasons. A check with City Police at 11pm found that the police had recorded statements from the family members at 8pm. The family members of a prominent political analyst and lawyer Datuk Muhammad Shafee Abdullah were also seen at the City Police's headquarters Thursday night to assist the police in the probe of the murder of the woman, who is alleged to have had an intimate relationship with the analyst. The media was barred from entering the premises to cover the events. So far, six people -- the analyst, two private investigators and three police personnel -- have been remanded until Monday over the case. The murder of Altantuya, 28, has received wide local and international coverage because of the nature of the killing. The stunning beauty is believed to have been shot dead before her body was blown to bits with explosives at a secondary forest near the Subang Dam in Puncak Alam, Shah Alam two weeks ago after having arrived in Malaysia on Oct 6 with her sister and a cousin to trace her alleged lover, claimed to be the father of the child
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UPDATE 5: Nov 9th 06; 19:30 hrs(+Pictures suspect House; Lawyer Babies swelled heads)

MONGOLIAN MURDER: CORRECT NAME: Altantuya Shaariibuu @ Aminah; Another TWO Private INVESTIGATORS Remanded : SUSPECT INVESTIGATED Under (Section 365) –for Kidnapping & Illegal Detention – 7 Years Jail ONLY; SUSPECT Lawyers issued GAG Order (Directed at Mongolian Consul Interview)
Today there are interesting developments and information:

1. The correct Legal name of ANNA is used: Altantuya Shaariibuu @ Aminah; as Anna is her modeling name.
2 The remanding of the two new investigators was necessary as they can help in the police investigations as reports indicated they were used to make demands from the suspect.
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But the dumbest thing is WHY the police are investigating the suspect for KIDNAPPING and NOT MURDER!
4 Baby Suffering from “hydrocephalus" (excess fluid on the head).
5. The “Gag Order” from the suspect’s lawyers. Has the court case started that we cannot say anything?

6. The call by the Prime Minister for "thorough investigation" is timely otherwise the image is worst then a "police state" - at the point of a gun is the only law.

So THINKING Privately is ALLOWED, But THINKING ALOUD (SAYING It) IS NOT Allowed. - considered subjudice – the legal term. But if the case is being investigated; WHY NOT? Just the actual facts, UNtwisted as public has also the RIGHT to know. But by all means - GUESS; who done it? Give your opinions! What do you think No subjudice here.
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Altantuya Murder: Two Private Investigators Remanded For Five Days; November 09, 2006 17:44 PM
KUALA LUMPUR, Nov 9 (Bernama) -- The Magistrate's Court here Thursday granted police a five-day remand order to detain two private investigators to assist investigations into the gruesome murder of a freelance Mongolian model Altantuya Shaariibuu @ Aminah. Magistrate Ahmad Solihin Abdul Wahid allowed the application by police to detain the two men until Monday under Section 506 of the Penal Code for criminal intimidation. The remand of the two men, aged 46 and 35, brings to six people detained for questioning in connection with the high-profile murder, including a prominent political analyst, believed to have a private relationship with Altantuya. The investigators, one of them a former policeman, was arrested at the Kuala Lumpur police contingent headquarters at 3.45pm Wednesday. Wednesday, the same court issued a five-day remand order on the 46-year-old political analyst, who heads a local think-tank, to facilitate investigations into the abduction of the woman with the intention to confine her.

He is being investigated under Section 365 of the Penal Code, for kidnapping with the intention to secretly or wrongfully confining the woman, which carries a jail term of up to seven years, upon conviction. On the same day, the remand period for a chief inspector from the elite Special Action Force or better known as "Unit Tindakan Khas (UTK), and a woman lance corporal from the Petaling Jaya district police headquarters was extended by another week in connection with the murder. On Tuesday, a police constable was remanded for seven days for the same purpose. The three police personnel are being investigated under Section 302 of the Penal Code for murder, which carries the mandatory death sentence, if convicted. Altantuya, 28, from Ulan Bator, Mongolia, is believed to have been shot dead before her body was blown up into bits with three hand grenades in a secondary forest at Empangan Subang in Puncak Alam, Shah Alam, two weeks ago. The beautiful Altantuya reportedly came to Malaysia on Oct 6 with her younger sister and a cousin to look for the political analyst whom she claimed was the father to her 16-month-old son. She is believed to have come to Malaysia to get financial help from the analyst for her son's medical treatment said to be suffering from "hydrocephalus" (excess fluid on the head).

For some info on "hydrocephalus", Go here



ABOVE & BELOW: File pictures of babies with "hydrocephalus". Locally we can also see such cases


Following Altantuya's disappearance on Oct 19, her sister and cousin lodged a police report and sought assistance from the Mongolian Embassy in Bangkok. Following the report, police arrested three suspects, who led investigators to a secluded area in Puncak Alam where human skeletal remains, believed to be that of Altantuya's, were found.
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November 09, 2006 16:19 PM Lawyer Issues Warning, Cites Subjudice In Mongolian Murder Case

KUALA LUMPUR, Nov 9 (Bernama) -- A lawyer warned Thursday it is subjudice and tantamount to contempt of court for anyone to make statements of fact over the murder of a Mongolian woman in Shah Alam two weeks ago.



Datuk Muhammad Shafee Abdulla
h said legal action could be taken against those who touched on the facts of the matter in the murder of Altantuya alias Aminah Shaariibuu at the Subang dam area in Puncak Alam. Muhammad Shafee, who is representing a local political analyst now under remand to help in investigation into the case, said making such statements was unfair because it allowed the public to prejudge the case before a court decision. He spoke to reporters after meeting for about 30 minutes from about noon with the wife and family members of the political analyst at their home in Bukit Bandaraya here. Muhammad Shafee criticised the action of the Mongolian honorary consul in Malaysia, Datuk Syed Abdul Rahman Alhabshi, for issuing a statement to reporters on the case which he claimed touched on his client's position. "That statement should have been brought to court because such action (of issuing a statement to the press) is also considered subjudice," he said. Asked whether he would apply for a court injunction to prohibit the issuing of statements by anyone relating to the case, he said the matter was under discussion. Muhammad Shafee praised the police for conducting the investigation in a professional manner without revealing the facts of the case to anyone. He said so far he had not had the opportunity to discuss matters formally with his client because the analyst was under remand to help with the preliminary investigation into the case. The magistrate's court here yesterday ordered the analyst to be remanded for five days to help in the investigation into the murder under Section 365 of the Penal Code pertaining to abduction and confinement. Muhammad Shafee said he had advised his client to give full cooperation to the police to expedite the investigation as well as to enable him to meet with his client soon to discuss the case.

ABOVE: The Lawyer was seen leaving the suspect house in Damansara Heights after a strategic session with the family

Reporters who had gathered at the house of the political analyst early this morning found the front gate locked and the doors and windows shut though two cars were seen parked at the front. Meanwhile in SHAH ALAM, prosecuting officers from the Attorney-General's Chambers, officers and personnel from Bukit Aman Forensics Department and officers from the Survey and Mapping Department inspected the place again where the Mongolian woman, a 28-year-old freelance model from Ulan Bator, was killed and her body blown up with explosives.

The officers and personnel from Bukit Aman Forensics Department arrived in a four-wheel-drive vehicle and were seen entering the area at about 9am. Fifteen minutes later, the officers from the Survey and Mapping Department arrived in a four-wheel-drive vehicle of the department. Shortly afterwards, a dark blue four-wheel-drive vehicle was seen bringing the prosecuting officers. Their visit to the area is said to be for a closer inspection of the place where Altantunya is believed to have been shot and her body blown up with three grenades. The reporters were prohibited from entering the alleged scene of the crime by plainclothes policemen. An unmarked while (see this SPELLING Check MISTAKE, IF you DON’T Read thru properly) Proton Wira car was parked across the road leading to the area. Altantuya reportedly came to Malaysia on Oct 6 with her younger sister and a cousin to look for the Malaysian man who is said to have had a sexual affair with her which resulted in the birth of a boy, now 16 months old. She is said to have had the affair about two years ago after she met up with the Malaysian in Mongolia. Altantuya is said to have come to Malaysia to ask for money to seek treatment for her son and met the man on Oct 19, the last day that she was seen alive. After Altantuya failed to return to the hotel where they were staying, her younger sister and cousin reported the matter to the police here and sought help from the Mongolian embassy in Bangkok. Following the report, three police personnel, one of them attached to the Special Action Unit, were detained to help in the investigation into the murder. Police then found body parts at the scene of the alleged crime in Puncak Alam. The 46-year-old political analyst was remanded yesterday.
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PM Orders Thorough Probe Into Mongolian Model's Murder Altantuya Shaariibuu; November 09, 2006 15:28 PM


Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi: "Nobody is above the law. That should be remembered,"

KUALA LUMPUR, Nov 9 (Bernama) -- Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi has ordered the police to conduct a thorough probe into the murder of a beautiful Mongolian freelance model. The Prime Minister said Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Musa Hassan informed him about the murder of 28-year-old Altantuya Shaariibuu. "I told the IGP he had to investigate the case thoroughly and properly. "Nobody is above the law. That should be remembered," he said when asked to comment on the high-profile murder that took place about two weeks ago. The police have detained a 46-year-old prominent political analyst who heads a local think-tank and remanded him for five days from yesterday to facilitate investigation. On the involvement of police personnel in the murder, Abdullah, who is also Internal Security Minister, said action must be taken against anybody found guilty under the law. Three police personnel -- a chief inspector, a lance corporal and a constable -- have also been remanded to assist investigation into the gruesome killing of Altantuya, who was shot before her body was blown up to bits in a secondary jungle in Puncak Alam, Shah Alam. The woman arrived in Kuala Lumpur on Oct 9 with her sister and a cousin in search of the political analyst whom she claimed fathered her 16-month-old son. Altantuya's case came to light after her sister lodged a police report following her disappearance on Oct 21. Police identified the political analyst, who is said to have befriended the deceased a few years ago, as a suspect.


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MORE UPDATE 4 & PICS: Nov 9th 06; 4.30 am
TV3 INTERVIEW with the Mongolian Consul

Datuk Syed Abdul Rahman Alhabshi ( Honorary Consul, Mongolian Embassy, KL) said: “They have been to Europe, Gifts were given, jewellery bought in Malaysia. Tickets were booked by suspect to Shanghai & South Africa in March 2005. How can this be extortion?


"When I spoke to the family in
Mongolia, US30,000 had been credited to victim's account. I am just wondering, if you say no why did you sponsored her travels, why did you credit US30,000 into her account? Let’s be rational as humans.”



"Can I say somebody that I do not know the girl, when my photograph on bed is being held by the girl? And all these evidence of being sponsored."


ABOVE & BELOW: Is this ANNA's sister or cousin helping with the investigation?
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Mongolian Murder Victim's Father Coming Here With Grandson; November 08, 2006 21:18 PM KUALA LUMPUR, Nov 8 (Bernama) -- The father of Mongolian Altantuya Shaariibuu, victim of a gruesome murder, is expected to arrive here over the next few days accompanied by his 16 month-old grandson. The baby boy is said to be the result of an illicit love affair between the Mongolian woman and a local prominent political analyst.

Honorary consul of the Mongolian embassy in Malaysia Datuk Syed Abdul Rahman Alhabshi said Altantuya's father (name not available) is expected to arrive in Malaysia for DNA testing to ascertain whether the political analyst is the father of the baby boy. "Both are being brought here with cooperation of the Mongolian embassy in Bangkok. I was informed of this by the Mongolian embassy last night. "They will be accompanied by a senior embassy official," he told Bernama when contacted, here Wednesday. He added preparation was being made to bring them from Ulan Bator, the Mongolian capital. "I cannot reveal when they will be arriving here for their own safety," he added. Syed Abdul Rahman said police have asked Altantuya's father to identify her remains. He added Altantuya's family members in Mongolia were also in regular contact with the embassy to get the latest development on the tragedy that has attracted the foreign media. "They were shocked and saddened by what happened to Altantuya, what more it involved the police who are entrusted with keeping the peace," he added. Syed Abdul Rahman said Altantuya's sister, Burmaa Shariibuu, came to his office on Oct 28 to discuss about her (Altantuya's) disappearance before lodging a police report. The gruesome murder of Altantuya alias @ Aminah, 28, a part-time model received wide media coverage after it was revealed that she had been shot and then blown up with three hand grenades at the Subang dam in Puncak Alam, near Shah Alam two weeks ago. Altantuya came to Malaysia on Oct 6 with a sister and cousin to look for a man said to be the father of her 16 month baby boy conceived during a torrid love affair. She is said to be involved in the illicit love affair with the political analyst who is also head of a local political think-tank. They met in Mongolia two years ago. Altantuya is believed to have tried to ask for money to treat the baby boy and met up with the political analyst on Oct 19, the last day she was seen alive. When she did not turn up, the sister and cousin lodged a police report and sought help from the Mongolian embassy in Bangkok. Based on the report, three police personnel, including one attached to the Special Action Unit were detained to assist in investigation. Police later recovered pieces of body parts at a dam in Puncak Alam, near Shah Alam. The magistrate's court today remanded the 46 year-old political analyst for five days to assist in investigation. Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Musa Hassan has directed police to conduct a thorough investigation and haul the culprits before the law.

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Top Malaysian analyst pleads innocence over model's murder - from Channelnewsasia, 8th Nov 2006

A top political analyst close to senior politicians was being detained for five days as part of a police investigation into the abduction and murder of a French-trained Mongolian model, his lawyer said Wednesday. "I had a short interview with Abdul Razak Baginda this morning at the court and I am relieved to hear that he is in no way involved in the abduction or murder," Shafie Abdullah told AFP. "He is being investigated for the abduction and murder. Abdul Razak is being detained for five days until Sunday. "He pleads innocence," he said, adding Abdul was picked up by police on Tuesday. Shafie also said Abdul Razak knew one of the policemen detained in the investigation. Abdul Razak is the executive director of the Malaysian Strategic Research Centre, a leading private think-tank in Malaysia, and provides regular commentary on the ruling United Malays National Organisation (UMNO)
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Top political analyst arrested! Explosive end to affair that turned sour; NST
08 Nov 2006; Tony Emmanuel; An affair gone sour. A woman spurned. Blackmail. Murder...Prominent think-tank head and three police personnel likely to be charged today.

KUALA LUMPUR: The country was abuzz yesterday after a prominent political analyst was arrested in connection with the abduction and brutal murder of a Mongolian woman. The New Straits Times understands that Attantuya Shariibu @ Aminah allegedly demanded US$500,000 (RM1.85 million) as payment after he signalled the end of their affair. She claimed that she had given birth to his child and threatened to go public if her demand was not met. After checking and finding her claim to be false, he lodged a police report last month. What happened next is a bit murky but three police personnel — including two from the Special Action Squad — have been arrested and are likely to be charged with murder. It is believed that she was shot execution-style somewhere in Puncak Alam before her body was placed over some explosives and detonated. Using a battery of metal detectors, sniffer dogs and post- blast investigation equipment, police personnel examined a shallow grave and surrounding areas for nearly eight hours. They found a handful of bone fragments. Aminah’s case came to light after Aminah’s sister lodged a missing person’s report on Oct 21. In it, she identified the political analyst as a suspect. Bit by bit, the police dug and managed to put together a mosaic of what took place. They learnt that she and the analyst — who runs a think- tank — were introduced to each other at a party abroad a few years ago. They struck up a relationship and had been seeing each other off and on abroad. Several months ago, the analyst told her that he wanted to end the relationship. Early last month, Aminah, her sister and cousin turned up in Kuala Lumpur. She hired a private investigator to obtain as much information about the analyst. She also bombarded him with SMSes. She attempted to visit him at his office and home in Damansara but was prevented by security staff. The analyst also engaged the services of a security consultant to make sure that she did not continue to harass him. On Oct 19, she showed up outside his home and created a ruckus. Her sister said that Aminah did not return to their hotel in Chinatown and lodged a police report two days later.

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Anna the model from Mongolia was blown to bits in Subang Dam area, Puncak Alam,. May her soul RIP. Death is just a night to her soul.

She lived before, and will again, and in her new life, in her terms, springs out of the old, and is growing in the old and contained within it as the seed is already contained within the flower.
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UPDATE 3, 8th NOV 06, 13:28pm
November 08, 2006 12:19 PM

Political Analyst Remanded Over Mongolian Murder
KUALA LUMPUR, Nov 8 (Bernama) -- The magistrate's court here Wednesday ordered the remand of a prominent political analyst linked to the gruesome murder of a 28-year-old Mongolian woman. Magistrate Manira Mohd Nor allowed the application from the police for the five-day remand beginning today against the analyst, who heads a local think-tank, at 9.15am.

ABOVE & BELOW: The correct suspect seen (images are of poor quality, but his profile is the same as the handsome one below) on the way to car this morning at the court and is being charged under Section 365 of the Penal Code which carries a MAXIMUM of 7 years jail & Fine. This is justice! (see Channelasia interview (above) with lawyer)




APOLOGY , the earlier TWO photos (in red shirt) similar to one above is the STAR's Video Cameraman in Action Holding a Professional Video Cam (see comment below pointing to the error)

The man in his forties, who was accompanied in court by his lawyer Datuk Muhammad Shafee Abdullah, was remanded under Section 302 of the Penal Code for murder investigation. Police Criminal Investigation Department director Datuk Christopher Wan Soo Kee, when contacted by Bernama, said that a thorough investigation would be carried out today on the case. "Now let the police do their job. The past two days I have been answering calls from the media regarding the case.

"We hope to solve this as soon as possible and it is too early to say anything. Give us time," he said. Two police officers, one of them a woman, were detained and remanded last week in connection with the case. Yesterday, a police constable was picked up and remanded for investigation into the murder of the Mongolian woman, Anna Ana Ang alias Altantuya Shaariibuu alias Aminah, a freelance model, who is believed to have had an affair with the political analyst. Anna, 28, who was reported to have befriended the analyst when he was in Mongolia last year, is believed to have been shot to death and her body blown up with three hand grenades at the Subang dam, Puncak Alam in Shah Alam two weeks ago. The woman flew to Malaysia on Oct 6 together with her sister and cousin in search of a man, the father of her 16-month-old son. When she went missing on Oct 19, her sister and cousin lodged a police report and later sought help from the Mongolian embassy in Bangkok. Acting on the report, police detained three suspects, who led them to an area in Puncak Alam where some body parts, believed to be that of the Mongolian woman, were found scattered in the area.

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UPDATE 2 : Nov 08 06; 11:00am; and from SINGAPORE Straits Times... the Political Analyst and MORE Crime scene pictures below. In life nothing is shocking as everything is possible for the experience and lesson learned; if not in one life time then come back for the next.

He is of mixed parentage, mother a chinese.

08/11: Shock waves over detention of Najib's close aide; By Leslie Lau; The Straits Times.
POLITICAL and intellectual circles here are abuzz with talk of the detention of one of their own in an investigation into the death of a Mongolian woman. Abdul Razak Baginda, who is in his 40s, is a close associate of Malaysian Deputy Prime Minister Najib Tun Razak. He set up the Malaysian Strategic Research Centre (MSRC) in 1993, a private think tank specialising in defence and strategic issues, when Datuk Seri Najib was first appointed Malaysian Defence Minister. He is said to be in the inner circle of Datuk Seri Najib's supporters and aides and has been frequently quoted in Malaysian and international publications.
'I am in shock. I do not know why he has been arrested and how he can be involved,' said a close associate of Mr Abdul Razak, who declined to be named. Mr Abdul Razak is well-known not just in Malaysia but also among the region's many research organisations for his moderate views on politics and security issues. The suggestion of involvement in any extramarital affairs is a shock to many who know the man. Mr Abdul Razak is married with children, and is known to be obsessed with his work in the MSRC. He is also a regular on the lecture and seminar circuit and a talk show host on national television. His qualification as a stellar analyst is backed up by his qualifications. He was previously the Head of Strategic Studies and International Relations at the Armed Forces Defence College here. He is a graduate of King's College London and is a member of the World Economic Forum's (Davos) Global Leaders for Tomorrow as well as the London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies.
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The NST has a more detailed account of the events that led to the killing

KUALA LUMPUR: Private investigators, a penchant for life in the fast lane and blackmail... these are among startling disclosures police are uncovering as they dig deeper into the alleged abduction and murder of Attantuya Shariibu @ Aminah. The New Straits Times team yesterday spoke to several sources to piece together the sequence of events leading to the arrest of three police personnel and a prominent political strategist.
Oct 9: Aminah, her sister Altantuya and their cousin check into a hotel in the city’s
Chinatown district.
Oct 10
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They have a meeting with a private investigator whose services they have engaged. His brief was simple: Gather as much information about the political analyst, where he stayed, where he worked and his routine. The investigator went to work and his clients spent the next few days as tourists. They also made numerous telephone calls from their hotel to the private investigator to get updates. Several days later, the investigator meets up with the political analyst at his office and allegedly makes certain demands on behalf of his client.
Oct 15
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Political analyst lodges a police report, alleging that he was being intimidated by certain individuals. Several days later, Aminah turns up at the building where the analyst’s office is housed but is turned away by a security guard. Allegedly told the guard to pass a message to the analyst, claiming that she had given birth to his child.
Oct 19
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Aminah and her sister turn up at the prominent personality’s home in Bukit Damansara in a taxi. A security consultant hired by the analyst allegedly stops her from entering the house, and warns her to leave. She persists. The security consultant threatens to call the police. She leaves in a taxi and returns to the hotel. Several hours later, she leaves the hotel. That was the last time she was seen alive.
Oct 21
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Altantuya lodges a police report, saying that her sister, Aminah, had gone missing. She also identifies the prominent personality as a prime suspect. The personality also lodges a police report alleging he had been the victim of a major extortion, and had been harassed by unidentified individuals. Police begin probe. A woman detective from the anti-vice and gaming branch in Petaling Jaya is arrested.
Oct 26
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A Chief Inspector from the Special Action Squad at Federal police headquarters is the second personnel nabbed.
Nov 6
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Police seize closed-circuit surveillance camera recordings from the hotel where the women had been residing. A third police personnel is taken into custody.
Nov 7
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A police party arrest the analyst at his office in Jalan Ampang. After combing an area near Puncak Alam in Shah Alam, forensic team find bone fragments believed to be that of Aminah's


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Mongolian model shot and blown to bits; from STAR Nation, Wednesday November 8, 2006

KUALA LUMPUR: Police have picked up a prominent political analyst attached with a politically well-connected think-tank for questioning over the gruesome murder of a Mongolian model whose body was blown to bits. The man, who is in his 40s, was taken from his office in Ampang here by several policemen at about 10am yesterday. The private think-tank conducts research and prints publications on politics, economics, defence and international relations. The analyst is being detained at the federal police headquarters in Bukit Aman where he is assisting a special task force set up to probe the murder of 28-year-old Altantuya Shaariibuu. The analyst is expected to be remanded today. Altantuya, who goes by the name Anna and said to be a stunning beauty from Ulaanbaatar, arrived in Kuala Lumpur about a month ago. She reportedly went missing about three weeks ago. Sources said a report lodged by her sister and cousin led to the arrest of three police personnel – a chief inspector, a woman detective and a corporal with the Special Action Force or SAF, more commonly known as the Unit Tindakan Khas.The corporal is part of a pool of SAF members used to guard VIPs and other dignitaries.

All three police personnel have been remanded by the police. Yesterday, magistrate Azniza Mohd Ali ordered the remand of the corporal while the chief inspector and woman detective were remanded on Thursday. On Monday, more than 40 police officers, including those from the Forensic Department, went to the crime scene at Subang Dam, Puncak Alam in Selangor, where they found bone fragments believed to be that of Altantuya in some bushes. Police believe she was shot twice and her body blown to bits. It is understood that C4 explosives were used to blow up her body in an effort to destroy evidence.

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UPDATE1 : Nov 07 06; 22:00pm

Constable Remanded A Week Over Mongolian Woman's Murder; November 07, 2006 21:55 PM KUALA LUMPUR, Nov 7 (Bernama) -- A police constable has been remanded for a week from Tuesday to help in the investigation into the murder of a Mongolian woman said to be linked to a local political analyst. Magistrate Azniza Mohd Ali allowed the application for the remand against the policeman, who is attached to the escort branch. Two police officers and a police personnel, one of them a woman, have been detained in connection with the murder of the woman, Anna Ana Ang alias Al Tantuya alias Aminah, 28, who is believed to have had a brief sexual encounter with a Malaysian man. She is believed to have been killed and her body blown up with a hand grenade. Anna is said to have had a brief sexual encounter with the Malaysian man when he visited Mongolia last year. The affair resulted in a baby being born in Mongolia this year. It is learnt that Anna and two female friends from her country came to Malaysia early last month to meet up with the man, who is married with children.

At about 1 pm Tuesday, police found pieces of the woman's body near the Subang Dam in Puncak Alam. The area has been declared out of bounds to the public, including the media. The pieces of body and other evidence were retrieved with the help of the Bukit Aman Forensics Unit and Tracker Dog Unit from 9 am to 5 pm. Police declined to inform the media where the body parts were being taken to after they were retrieved from the dam area.

ABOVE: The actual spot where the body was blasted and burned out and a close-up view (BELOW). Reports indicated fragmenyts of bones & other body parts were recovered from here

A check by Bernama at the place where the body parts were found, some two kilometres from the main road, revealed traces of a fire (see above) that might have been caused by an explosion. CID Director Datuk Christopher Wan Soo Kee, when contacted, said Bukit Aman had taken over the case to continue with the investigation. "We cannot reveal the progress in our investigation of the case because it can interfere with our probe, and there are many aspects of the investigation to be carried out," he said. He said the police would issue a statement to the media once they have gathered sufficient evidence.

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Mongolia Embassy Keeping Tab On Its Citizen's Case; November 07, 2006 18:47 PM By D. Arul Rajoo BANGKOK, Nov 7 (Bernama) -- The Mongolia Embassy in Bangkok has instructed its honorary consul in Kuala Lumpur to follow up on the murder case of a Mongolian woman whose body parts were found scattered in some bushes in Puncak Alam, near Shah Alam, Monday. An embassy official said they were aware of the murder investigations after been notified by its Honorary Consul Datuk Syed Abdul Rahman Alhabshi two days ago. "Datuk Syed Abdul Rahman informed us about the murder of a woman believed to be our citizen. We don't have much information regarding the case at this moment as we are still waiting for more details from him," the official told Bernama.

He said the embassy here, also accredited to Malaysia, had notified the Mongolian Foreign Ministry about the case. In Kuala Lumpur, two police officers and a member of the force, one of them a woman, have been detained in connection with the murder of the woman who is believed to have had an affair with a Malaysian man. Anna Ana Ang is believed to have been murdered and her remains blown up with a grenade. Anna, who was in her 30s, is said to have had a brief sexual encounter with the Malaysian man when he visited Mongolia last year. The affair resulted in a baby born in Mongolia this year.
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KUALA LUMPUR, Nov 7 (Bernama) -- Police this morning summoned a man to give a statement at the Kuala Lumpur police contingent headquarters to assist in a Mongolian woman's murder investigation. Kuala Lumpur police chief Datuk Sulaiman Yusof said the man was likely to be remanded to help in the investigation. "Police are waiting for evidence prepared by the forensics, and we expect all the evidence will be ready as late as this evening," he told Bernama here Tuesday. Two police officers and a member of the force, one of them a woman, have been detained in connection with the murder of the Mongolian woman who is believed to have had an affair with a Malaysian man. The victim, Anna Ana Ang, is believed to have been murdered and her remains blown up with a grenade. Anna, who was in her 30s, is said to have had a brief sexual encounter with the Malaysian man when he visited Mongolia last year. The affair resulted in a baby born in Mongolia this year. It is learnt that Anna and two female friends from her country came to Malaysia early last month to meet up with the man, who is already married with children. Meanwhile, Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Musa Hassan said police had confirmed that they had detained the three police personnel to assist in the investigation. He did not want any speculation on the case that could jeopardise the investigation being conducted. "We may detain some more people to assist in the investigation, but please do not speculate, and I do not want to reveal how many more will be detained," he told reporters after officiating at a History Narration and Home Guard Force Exhibition here.

MORE PICTURES From the CRIME SCENE: At the Burnt-out SPOT Fragments of Bones were recovered. The Man involved was arrested and remanded for Questioning. IGP Tan Sri Musa was tight-lipped and refused to give details.
The political analyst was summoned and asked to give a statement today (see the arrest in the STAR below) to help further investigation & probably will be remanded today (8th Nov)


The IGP was extremely tight-lipped and refused to give details and stated there should be no speculation so as not to jeopardize police investigation. Meanwhile, police have gathered sufficient information and details are expected late today.Meanwhile hordes of reporters and cameramen were at the crime scene which is located 2 km form the main road and is accessible by 4-wheeled vehicles. The following are some of the latest satellite pictures.

ABOVE: The entrance to the dam area was cordoned off by the police except for authorised personnel & police vehicles (BELOW)

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ABOVE: The dirt tract leading to the actual crime scene (2 km from the main road) and accessible by 4-wheeled vehicles becuae the rainy seasons have rendered the roads muddy (BELOW)
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ABOVE: A closer view of the burnt-out spot and BELOW: Looks like fragments of clothings still on the tree branches
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ABOVE & BELOW: The Police bomb squad carry out tests to determine the nature of explosive used
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ABOVE: The forensic team was busy gathering vital information and once obtained are placed in yellow envelopes and put into their van (BELOW)
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The Malaysian is believed to be a prominent political analyst in Malaysia and the case is linked to a multi-million extortion attempt. It looks like the woman had been asking too much as compensation and in the end lost her life. Bukit Aman has not issued any statement so far. On Sunday evening 40 police personnel including those from the forensic department went to the crime scene in Subang Dam, Puncak Alam in Selangor to gather evidence.
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Malaysian's Mongolian Lover Shot, Blown Up By Hitmen; Nov. 07, 2006 01:07 AM

KUALA LUMPUR, Nov 6 (Bernama) -- Three police officers, one of them a woman, have been arrested in connection with the murder of a Mongolian woman believed to have had an affair with a Malaysian man. The victim, Anna Ana Ang, was believed to have been fatally shot and her remains blown up with a grenade.

ABOVE & BELOW: 40 police personnel were at the crime scene in Subang Dam, Puncak Alam, Selangor on Sunday to look for the remains of the Mongolian woman. They came in cars, 4-wheeled drive, Suv etc


Anna, who was in her 30s, was said to have had a brief sexual encounter with the Malaysian man when he visited Mongolia last year. The affair resulted in a baby being born in Mongolia this year. It is learnt that Anna and two female friends from her country came to Malaysia early last month to meet up with the man, who was already married with children.


ABOVE: The Forensic van was parked closed to the area of the exploded body and the personnel (BELOW) were ready for the search


They visited his home in Damansara Heights on Oct 9 to discuss matters. However, things didn't go too well and the man called up three police officers to "escort" Anna away. Her friends were then told to leave while the matter was being "settled". However, when Anna did not return to their hotel after a few days, her friends became worried. They went to report the matter to the Mongolian consulate in Thailand. They also lodged a report at the Brickfields police station here.

ABOVE: Late into the evening with headlights on and after all the evidence were gathered the forensic van finally left (BELOW); As the Body was not intact, there was body bag to be seen.


Following the report, the Mongolian consulate in Thailand contacted Malaysian police to seek help in the search for its missing citizen. Aided by details provided by Anna's friends, police have detained a chief inspector and lance corporal to help with investigation. They were both remanded for a week last week. Interrogation results led to the arrest of a third police officer, also a chief inspector, who was arrested Monday. Police were unable to detain him earlier as he was on duty overseas. A search for Anna's body is now being carried out at the Subang Dam in Puncak Alam. Kuala Lumpur Police Chief Datuk Sulaiman Mohd Yusof, when contacted, confirmed the search but remained tight-lipped otherwise.

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And here is the STAR Brief report; Nation

Political analyst held in connection with murder; Tuesday November 7, 2006

News Update by Lourdes Charles of The Star
KUALA LUMPUR: Police have picked up a prominent political analyst of a well-connected private think tank for questioning over the gruesome murder of a Mongolian woman. The man, in his 40s, was taken from his office in Ampang by several policemen at about 10am Tuesday, following the arrest of three policemen implicated in the killing of the 28 year old woman, whose body was also reportedly blown up with plastic explosives. The three police personnel detained earlier were a chief inspector, a woman detective and corporal attached to the Special Action Force, a commando squad set up to protect VIPs. The corporal who was on duty with the Prime Minister in Pakistan was asked to return earlier than the Prime Minster’s entourage and was nabbed at the airport.

The analyst, who has written books on politics, defence and foreign affairs, is regarded as one of the top intellectuals in the country. He has served senior politicians in an advisory capacity. Police are probing the relationship between the man and the woman who was believed to have been shot and her remains blown up with explosives near the Subang Dam in Puncak Alam, Selangor.
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For further hints on this well known analyst (there are NOT many around), check here
where there are a lot of "deleted wild innunendos"
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Read further on the Latest UPDATE that Azhar Mansur is being investigated by Perlis Religious Adviser Datuk Mat Jahya Husein
in previous post

MORE PICS- SMS About BAPTISM CEREMONY of “Muslims” at CHURCH Of Our Lady of LOURDES, IPOH; Several NGOs Found out “MUSLIMS” Were ACTUALLY Indians.


Sunday, November 05, 2006

MORE PICS- SMS About BAPTISM CEREMONY of “Muslims” at CHURCH Of Our Lady of LOURDES, IPOH; Several NGOs Found out “MUSLIMS” Were ACTUALLY Indians.

Last Update 9: 20th Nov 2006; 20:55pm
Go H E R E to continue the Saga of the SMS Sender on

Dr Mohamed Azam (Lecturer UiTM) 9 Years STUDY: NUMBER Apostates Among Muslims < 300; MAJORITY are Muslim CONVERTS; And “RAJA SHERINA” Where are U HIDING? See YOUR Photo! Does She Exist? Another Red Herring?!

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Update 8: 18th Nov 2006; 0058am
I Am A Muslim, Says Azhar; November 17, 2006 21:55 PM

KUALA LUMPUR, Nov 17 (Bernama) -- National solo sailor, Datuk Azhar Mansor Friday killed speculations that he was an apostate by stating in the Umno general assembly that he was still a Malay and a Muslim. Azhar, 48, who successfully sailed round the world solo in 1999 said this at a press conference at the Putra World Trade Centre (PWTC) where the Umno General Assembly was being held. He hoped that the statement would stop the speculations about his faith which started since 1999. While winding up the debate on the last day of the assembly Friday, Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi announced that a national hero by the name of Azhar Mansor was present in the assembly hall. He pointed to Azhar who was sitting in the observers' seat. "Azhar Mansor has come to the assembly to declare that he still is a Muslim," said Abdullah who is also the Umno President. Azhar, clad in a blue shirt smiled when the CCTV focussed on him. Azhar said, the issue whether he is a Muslim or not should not arise because he never applied to leave Islam whether in Malaysia or abroad. "But (as) everybody knows, my responsibility, what I cling to, my faith is to Allah SWT... Don't ask (religious faith) me now," he said. Azhar said this when asked on his religion after the SMS which was sent alleging that he would baptise a group of Muslims at a church in Perak last Nov 5. More than 500 Muslims and representatives from several non-governmental organisations (NGOs) gathered in front of the church to protest the action.

The SMS also said that Perak Mufti Datuk Seri Harussani Zakaria had confirmed the baptism. Azhar said, the allegation that he had left Islam started since 1999 after he completed his round the world solo trip and the allegation was spread through the Internet by irresponsible elements. He did not deny the allegation at that time and his name was again involved in the apostate issue sent through the SMS recently.

"I live my life in Malaysia according to syarak laws and the laws of this country. I have never done anything wrong. If you want to ask whether a man is a Muslim or not ask those who commit rape. I only do my job and do not disturb anybody. Last Nov 14, Azhar made a police report in Langkawi on the SMS issue and the police had identified the original sender. The SMS issue had raised speculations among the people on Azhar's religion because he had not made any statement denying the allegation before. Azhar, married with three children, said he is a Malay and Muslim, born in Kangar, Perlis and members of his family are Muslims. "So, I don't think there should be any problem on the status of my religion (Islam), the matter should not become an issue. That is why I don't want to take a serious view of it (SMS and Internet), this is a sensitive thing," Azhar said. However, when asked by reporters to end the speculation by "mengucap" ( saying "I bear witness that there is no God but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Messenger), Azhar said, he would not do this merely to satisfy some people. "You, you, you, did your mother ask you to "mengucap"? My father did not ask me to do so because we "mengucap" everytime we pray.

"I will not do it (mengucap). It is not doomsday when I will be questioned. We will not know where we will end up on doomsday," he said. Asked whether he regarded the SMS as a slander (fitnah), Azhar said: "I don't know the use of the word... I never (asked) what anybody wants to wear, or where he wants to hang out (at a coffee shop or elsewhere), it is his business... we should take care of ourselves." Azhar said, he had not made up his mind whether to take legal action or not against the SMS sender because the police were still investigating the case. Also present at the press conference were the Prime Minister's Religious Adviser, Tan Sri Dr Abdul Hamid Othman, Perlis Mufti Datuk Panglima Alim Mat Jahaya Hussin and Umno Executive Secretary Datuk Paduka Husainay Hashim.

Meanwhile, Abdul Hamid said, faith and lifestyle were two separate things in Islam, and a person remained a Muslim until he announced that he had left Islam.

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Mariner Azhar: I have not renounced Islam; Husna Yusop

KUALA LUMPUR (Nov 17, 2006): Mariner Datuk Azhar Mansor today declared he had not renounced Islam as had been speculated since he achieved his round-the-world solo sailing feat in 1999. In a press conference held at the Putra World Trade Centre (PWTC) on the last day of the Umno general assembly, Azhar made the declaration in the company of Religious Advisor to the Prime Minister Tan Sri Dr Abdul Hamid Othman and Umno executive secretary Brig Gen Datuk Husainay Hashim. Later, in his winding-up speech, Umno president Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi told the assembly that Azhar had taken the opportunity to be there to say that he is a Muslim and that there should now be an end to the speculation. Azhar was then in the crowd and he stood up to applause. At the start of his press conference earlier, Azhar gave the salam before explaining he was there as an observer to the assembly and decided to take the opportunity to meet the press and address a situation that could potentially affect public order. He was referring to the incident on Nov 5 at the Our Lady of Lourdes Church in Jalan Silibin, Ipoh where a large group of Muslims gathered outside the church on being informed via SMS that Azhar was to baptise a group of Muslims there. They dispersed after police investigated and assured them no such thing was happening and that there were about 100 children of Indian descent who were being baptised. This is the Q&A of the press conference:

Q: The polemic has arisen because of the status of your religion. Can you make it clear whether you are still a Muslim or not? A: Sometimes, I wonder... I can make this answer a very long, long one, or I can also make it short. But I sometimes wonder, where is the confusion? Of course, from what I understand, the rumours about me no longer being a Muslim have been there since 1999 when I was still sailing. This issue has been doubted and questioned until today. From being circulated in the Internet to now in an SMS. I have not given it much thought because it was an Internet source. But to go specific to the SMS, whereby my name was involved, on the incident in Ipoh which should not have happened, I was surprised myself because I got the SMS after the incident. I was informed through my family members in Ipoh that many people had gathered to protest since I was supposed to be there to baptise people. This was out of my knowledge. Now it is under police investigation. If only in the Internet, it is okay but when there is an SMS which affected public order, I would also like to know the cause and agenda of such an SMS.

Q: After so many days, people are wondering why you have not declared that you are still a Muslim? A: I cannot control other people's perception.

Q: Are you a Muslim? A: My mindset is trained differently. As a sailor, my stand is, I am a person who wants to know what is in front of my eyes and in my hands. What others want to say about me, I cannot control.

Q: But you can use this opportunity to declare that you am still a Muslim! Just say yes or no. A: Then we can go back? I also want to know what else you want to know from me.

Q: It is just whether you are a Muslim or not. A: That's it? Q: Before this we heard from a third party, so now we want to hear it from you. A: If I say that, you will all leave this room. I would also like to get to know you all too. Sometimes I wonder, why people want to know which shirt I am wearing, why I am wearing shorts. Why do you want to know this? In fact, I have certain responsibilities which I have to adhere to and that is what I should concentrate on. Meaning, if all of you want to know, I was born in Perlis as a Malay Muslim. My father is a Muslim, my family and siblings are Muslims. My own family members are also Muslims. So, I feel the issue of the status of my religion does not arise at all. That should not be questioned at all. If you want to ask me that just based on the Internet and SMS, that is why I do not want to entertain this kind of things. This is a sensitive matter. But my father, my children, my siblings are Muslims. So there is no need for this question to arise. And I have never, in this country or in any other parts of the world, that I have applied to renounce Islam. And I have never thought about doing that. That was what surprised me. But I don't want you to leave now that I have answered you.

Q: The perception still persists because in the recent press statement there was nothing from you to say you are still a Muslim. That is what people want to know. A: If I say that, if I say I am a Muslim from the very beginning, you mean that's the end of the story?

Q: Yes. That's it. Another thing, can you say the Kalimah Syahadah now? Everyone will keep quiet after this. A: Did your mother ever ask you to say it? My father has never asked me to say it until now. Because we have said it many times, we say it everytime in our prayers.

Q: Then only this matter will not arise again later.
A: No. Cannot. I am not going to do that. This is not the Judgment Day for me to be questioned like this. When the day comes, nobody will know where we will end up going. It is not a matter of saying it or trying to please your ears. (Bukan atas ungkapan itu atau bukan atas nak bagi sedap telinga)

Q: Our intention is only to clarify things for the public. A: I understand. If you see me in Langkawi, we would understand each other even better. My work is related to many people, including those from overseas. Obviously, I would always be hanging out with the white men. So, when I sit with them, people will say I am not a Muslim. It's tough on me.

Q: Where are you based now?
A: I am based in Langkawi, as in my responsibilities. My home, as in family, is in KL. And those are the two places that I have been, other than going on short trips on business.

Hamid: I would like to explain, for everyone of us, as long as one does not renounce his religion, he remains in his original religion. There is no need for one to repeat whether he is Muslim or not.

Q (to Azhar): On the SMS incident, are you going to take action against anyone? A: That is already under police investigation. When the SMS first came out I did not lodge any police report. But when the matter was prolonged, I felt it was better for me to make a police report to protect myself. Now we just wait for the police report and any further development. I cannot say anything else as of now.

Q: Are you saying that what is contained in the SMS is a fitnah (accusation /defamation /slander)? A: I am not used to using that kind of word. I would never say anything if I see someone wearing shorts, or drinking in a coffee shop or in a bar. That is his personal matter. We should take care of our own selves. If we want to question whether one is a Muslim or a Christian, it would be tough. But all I know, my responsibility, my stand, my faith is in Allah. So, don't question me now and I am only living my daily life in Malaysia according to the Syariah teaching and country's regulations. I have never committed any offence. If you want to ask whether one is a Muslim or not, it is better for you to ask the rapists. That is better. Don't ask me that. I was only doing my job in langkawi. I have never disturbed anybody. It is the others who always disturbed me.

Husainay: The conclusion is, Azhar is still a Muslim. I think we better make it clear. So, let us end this session.

Q: Do you think the SMS has something to do with your business relations? Azhar: I don't know. I will wait and see the outcome of the police investigation. If I can get hold of the finding, perhaps I can think of what to do next. But now I do not want to think about it. Now I just want to stay to follow the assembly and later go back to Langkawi to continue with my work. But I will be wearing my shorts. Is it okay with you guys if I wear shorts? Hamid: But we must be clear that in Islam, faith is one aspect, while behaviour is another aspect. They are not inter-connected. So if a citizen was caught stealing, he is guilty and considered a criminal, but his citizenship remains. It will not be abolished. Islam is also like that. If a Muslim does not practise the Islamic teaching, that is another story, but his faith in Islam remains. It will not be affected.

Q: After this, would your daily life be affected? Azhar: No, it will not affect me. It is just that sometimes, I think, is our country this bad to the extent I have to take action to protect my family? Should that happen, I would be very much shocked. But for me, I am too engrossed with my responsibilities. I have never worked but I have a lot of responsibilities. And at this opportunity, I would like to say, being the unofficial ambassador of Langkawi, I would like to invite you all to come to Langkawi if you want to go for a holiday. Then you can see me in shorts.

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MB: Mufti briefed group about conversion claims ; from STAR

KUALA LUMPUR: Perak Mufti Datuk Harussani Zakaria had only informed a group of people at a closed-door meeting at the state mosque of the allegations that some Muslims had converted to Christianity, said Datuk Seri Tajol Rosli Ghazali.
The Perak Mentri Besar said the objective of the meeting had been to control young people so that they would not go astray.
“But somebody picked up one of the examples given and cited Datuk Azhar Mansor. The Mufti is not involved in the SMS but he might be the reason for the SMS being spread,” he said yesterday after attending the Umno pre-council briefing by the party president at PWTC.
Zainuddin: Says issuing factually wrong statements could lead to public outrage

A widely circulated SMS caused quite a furore last week because it alleged that national mariner Datuk Azhar Mansor was an apostate, and would lead a ceremony to baptise a group of students at the Church of Our Lady Lourdes in Ipoh on Nov 5.

This turned out to be false and the supposed baptism was in fact the Holy Communion for 100 Catholic children.Tajol Rosli said the mufti had explained to reporters on Sunday what had actually taken place. “It's up to the police to investigate,” he said.
Information Minister Datuk Seri Zainuddin Maidin said that many people suspected Harussani had sent the recent offensive SMS because he had previously made claims of Muslims turning apostates.
He said earlier this year the mufti told a Malay daily that over 100,000 Muslims in the country had converted to other religions.
“So, when the recent SMS surfaced many believed it had come from him,” the minister added. The mufti had claimed then that the number of Muslims who converted was provided to him by a group of professionals and students.
The Malaysian Islamic Development Department (Jakim), later denied the figures, alleging they were obtained through unreliable sources.
Zainuddin said: “The problems that arose from the SMS and how Harussani was made to look like its sender, should serve as a lesson to all those in senior positions.”
He said civil servants in positions of authority should refrain from making statements unless the facts had been verified by the relevant government agencies.
They should be able to distinguish matters that are sensitive in nature, he said, adding that issuing factually wrong statements could lead to public outrage.
Zainuddin said they should not blame the media for running their inaccurate statements because the media would regard them as reliable sources of information.
“The onus is on the government officials to make sure that they have all the facts because they have all the resources, including the police, to check if the facts they received are true,” he said.

Sisters In Islam programme manager Norhayati Kaprawi said the Perak Mufti should have kept the information of the alleged baptism ceremony to himself if he had doubts about the authenticity and validity of the claims.
“He should have kept the information to himself and submitted it only to the police for further investigation.
“He should not have disseminated the unverified outrageous claims to other Muslim NGOs in a mosque,” she said in a statement here yesterday.

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http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/59518
LETTERS: Perak mufti shares blame for rumour mongering

Norhayati Hj Kaprawi Nov 14, 06 4:23pm

We refer to the malaysiakini report Malicious SMS - ISA the last resort.
Sisters in Islam wishes to highlight the impact of the scare-mongering tactics by some sectors of society. The Perak mufti should have learned from past experiences the danger of disseminating unverified information especially regarding contentious issues such as apostasy.

If the mufti had the tiniest of doubts about the authenticity and validity

of the woman's claims, he should have kept the information to himself and

submitted the information only to the police for further investigation. He

should not have disseminated the unverified outrageous claims to other

Muslim NGOs in a mosque.
He should, in fact, remind Muslims that the Qur'an in surah An-Nur (24:11)
strongly warns against the raising and spreading of rumours and malicious
scandals.
This is not the first time the mufti has made careless statements and allegations. Some of his highly controversial statements highlighted in the media were:

* 21 April 2005 - called for HIV/Aids and bird flu carriers be isolated on an island to ensure they do not infect others.

* February 2006 - claimed that 100,000 - 250,000 Muslims had apostatised themselves. To date, he has not been able to substantiate these claims, except to merely state that these were obtained from 'reliable sources'.

* March 2006 - the Perak Mufti Department's official website carried a poll on the controversial caricatures of Prophet Muhammad issue, asking visitors for their views on the 'most appropriate action to be taken against those

who insult the Prophet Muhammad. One of the choices given was to 'hunt and kill them'. The mufti, however, denied any knowledge and responsibility over the provocative poll.

* June 2006 - said that joint celebrations, such as Kongsi Raya, can erode the faith of Muslims.
As one of the Muslim leaders in Malaysia, the Perak mufti should be conscious against any act that can sow disunity and ill-will amongst the multi-religious communities in Malaysia. Again, we urge the authorities to take this matter very seriously before it becomes the undoing of a nation that has strived to provide a space for all Malaysians.Sisters in Islam also regrets the statements issued by the inspector-general of police and the deputy internal security minister on the possible use of the ISA against those responsible for disseminating inciteful SMSes.

As part of the Gabungan Mansuhkan ISA (Anti-ISA Movement), SIS calls for the repeal of the draconian Act which provides for detention without trial. More important is the need for the authorities to foster rational, informed and civil public engagement on contentious issues of national interest.

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The writer is programme manager, Sisters in Islam.

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'Baptism' message started by woman, claims Perak Mufti

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Identity of SMS sender revealed;13 Nov 2006; Mimi Syed Yusof

IPOH: Perak Mufti Datuk Seri Harussani Zakaria has revealed the identity of the sender of the text message which he received alleging that a group of Muslims would be baptised at a church in Silibin here on Nov 5. It was a woman and she sent the message on Oct 21 at 9.33am, he said. He said the woman, whom he named, had claimed that she studied at the International Islamic University and Al-Azhar University in Cairo. She said that on her return from Egypt, she was doing social work with missionaries and had converted. However, she claimed she had returned to Islam. Harussani said the woman and her husband came to his house on Oct 22 to confirm the substance in the message.

"After she left, I informed the police and the Special Branch," he said at his house yesterday. Harussani, whose name has been implicated in the SMS issue, said he did not spread the text message as had been alleged by certain quarters who had used his name in the SMS and the call for it to be passed around. He said he had brought up the issue of the SMS during a meeting with members of non-governmental organisations on Nov 2 called by the Islamic Congress committee to discuss its Dec 23-24 international convention. The meeting was held at the conference room of the state mosque. "Because of my capacity as adviser to the congress, I was asked for my view on what would be the topics of discussion at the convention," he said. "I called on the need for Muslims to strengthen their faith and belief in Islam as this was being eroded, especially among the younger people. I had given examples of how our faith and belief had been poisoned through the Internet. "I also touched on the SMS issue and the information which I had received from the woman, but I had also stressed to the members present that before we act we must have proof. "I also said I had informed the police and that we should wait for the authorities to investigate the matter." He said on Nov 3 he was informed by certain members of NGOs who had attended the meeting that they would hold a peaceful protest against the alleged baptism. "Again I informed them not to be stupid and to allow the police to investigate first. However, they did not listen," he said.

"When I was in Syria, I heard about the commotion at the church. I am sad and disappointed at the turn of events. "As a mufti, I believe I was carrying out my duty and responsibility to inform the necessary people of the intended baptism. "I did not spread the SMS or call on the people to protest. All I said was for us to be careful and to let the authorities investigate." He said if anyone was to receive similar text messages on such issues, he should forward them to the police and the authorities instead of spreading them. He said he met the Sultan of Perak yesterday and had explained the situation to him. "The Sultan is not angry. He is satisfied with my explanation. "I also met Perak police chief Datuk Abdul Aziz Bulat yesterday (Saturday) between 5pm and 9pm and told him everything."

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UPDATE 7
: 13th Nov 06; 1:05pm

The “INNOCENT” Perak Mufti Received ORIGINAL Message Convened MEETING with NGO To CATCH “Red Handed” the “MUSLIM” CONVERTS in a CHURCH? What was his real Intentions? Why can’t he called up the Church and confirm? NO Interfaith Dialogue?

This is interesting revealation from th perak Mufti, reported in the STAR, Nov 12 06.
Is this woman an “infiltrator”? Coverted and reconvert? Spying on the Christian missionary to convert people? Do you think the Mufti has done the right thing? Adding “salt & fire” to make message more “tastier” or appealing or setting the stage to trap the so call “converts” red-handed? There are so many possibilities. If he is more responsible instead of just “to remind Muslims of the threats facing Islam today” he could have just make a call to the Church (or is it haram?); and nip the problem in the bud to diffuse the threats to peace. ONLY after the incident he asked “leave it to the police to investigate
One wonders how many SMSs went around. Did he actually show the “ORIGINAL” the one he received (see below, cannot be deciphered) to the Police? Is the widely publicised one the ONLY one?

ABOVE: SMS ALERT: Mufti Harussani showing the message (3 lines only and CANNOT be deciphered) on the supposed baptism. He said the woman who sent him the message also met him and brought along documents to back up her claim; BELOW: the publicised one (see translation below)
'Baptism' message started by woman, claims Perak Mufti;By MAZNI MUSTAFA;newsdesk@thestar.com.my


IPOH: Perak Mufti Datuk Seri Harussani Zakaria has named a woman in her 40s as the originator of a text message that claimed a group of Muslims was going to be baptised at a church here last month. He claimed the woman is a graduate of the International Islamic University, who later studied at the Al-Azhar University in Cairo. Harussani: ‘What I revealed was meant to stay within the confines of the meeting’ “Upon her return, she joined a missionary group that carried out social work. She later converted to Christianity and now claims to have returned to Islam,” he told reporters at his home in Kampung Melayu Gunung Rapat here yesterday. Harussani said he had had an audience with the Sultan of Perak, Sultan Azlan Shah, to explain his stand on the issue. “The Sultan is happy and satisfied with my explanation,” he said of his 9am meeting with the Ruler. The SMS, which was widely circulated last week, had alleged that national mariner Datuk Azhar Mansor would lead a ceremony to baptise a group of students at the Church of Our Lady of Lourdes in Silibin here on Nov 5. It was later found that the supposed baptism was an event to mark the first Holy Communion for about 100 Catholic children. Harussani said the woman had sent him an SMS message on Oct 21 to give the time and place of the alleged baptism. He asked her to meet him at his house. “She came with her husband a day before Hari Raya,” he said, adding that she brought along compact discs and documents that purportedly disclosed that Azhar would be at the church to baptise the Malay students. Harussani claimed he handed all the information to the police and the Special Branch for their investigation. He said he raised his concerns over the allegations with representatives of Muslim non-governmental organisations at the state mosque here on Nov 2.What I revealed was meant to stay within the confines of the meeting. I did not know that those present would pass the word around. It was never my intention to create chaos. As the mufti (Muslim scholar who interprets Syariah laws), I have the responsibility to remind Muslims of the threats facing Islam today,” he said. SMS ALERT: Harussani showing the message on the supposed baptism. He said the woman who sent him the message also met him and brought along documents to back up her claim.

“I heard about the commotion at the church while I was in Syria. I am saddened and disappointed by the turn of events. “I was only carrying out my duty as a mufti to inform the necessary people of the supposed baptism,” he said, stressing that he had not spread the SMS or told people to protest. Asked about the anxiety and tension the SMS had stirred, Harussani said: “What they did (circulating it) was wrong. Why can’t they leave it to the police to investigate?” Harussani said he gave his statement to the police on Saturday during a four-hour meeting with state police chief Deputy Comm Datuk Aziz Bulat and Special Branch chief Senior Asst Comm (II) Dr Ab Rahman Ismail at his house. When contacted, Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Musa Hassan said police would investigate the mufti’s statement. “We will act accordingly,” he added.
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UPDATE 6: 11th Nov 06

Azhar Still A Muslim, Says Shahidan ; November 10, 2006 23:20 PM

KANGAR, Nov 10 (Bernama) -- Menteri Besar Perlis Datuk Seri Shahidan Kassim, who had a meeting with Datuk Azhar Mansor at his office here Friday, said the national sailor was still a Muslim. "He still performs his daily prayers and also performed the Tarawih prayers the whole of last Ramadan and follows the teachings of Islam. How can it be said that he has changed his religion?,"

Shahidan told reporters after the meeting with Azhar late Friday afternoon. Also present during the one-hour long meeting was the Perlis Mufti, Dr Mohd Asri Zainal Abidin. However, Azhar declined to meet journalists waiting outside the Menteri Besar's office. Azhar was named in the SMS message that was floated in Perak last week that alleged 300 Muslims would be baptised by him at a church in Ipoh. As a result of the SMS, about 1,000 Muslims gathered at the church in Jalan Silibin to check the matter out forcing police to be called in to control the situation. The matter is being investigated under the Sedition Act 1948. In a press conference Thursday, Azhar who turns 50 in February denied any involvement in what was alleged in the SMS. Shahidan said that the presence of the national hero, who made a successful solo voyage in his "Jalur Gemilang" yacht in 1999, in Langkawi was because he had come to celebrate the Hari Raya with friends and relatives. Azhar now resides in Australia. "Usually he will drop by to see me during Hari Raya, but maybe this time because he was busy with his business in Langkawi, he could only come today," said Shahidan. Shahidan said that the Mufti would issue a statement on the meeting at the latest by Monday. He said that in the meeting, Azhar, who wore a white shirt and jeans, repeatedly stressed that he and his wife were still Muslims.He said that Azhar saw it as a challenge and a test of Allah the insinuations being made against him.
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UPDATE 5: 10th Nov 06; 8.00 am

ORIGINAL SENDER SMS TRACED; Police Still Investigating & SULTAN PERAK Briefed on Situation. PERAK MUFTI Not Involved but He Had NOT Done Enough To Diffuse Situation
The police must be praised for being able to trace the original sender of the SMS that caused so many problems in Ipoh concerning this “conversion of Muslims” in a Church. Apparently the Perak Mufti is NOT directly involved in the SMS business but he has NOT done enough to alleviate the so called fears of the Muslim. When the SMS was circulating at its height he should have defused the situation by sending out his own “order” and assured the Muslims in Perak that there was NO truth in the SMS. Instead he chose to remain silent and allow things to develop. Bernama’s reports on the number of people that went to the church to “demonstrate” vary. One gives the number as 600 and the other 1000. From pictures probably a “few” hundreds if we can count.
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Original Sender Of "Baptism SMS" Traced; November 09, 2006 21:13 PM

IPOH, Nov 9 (Bernama) --Police have traced the original sender of the SMS (short-messaging-service) message claiming that sailor Datuk Azhar Mansor was to baptise a group of Muslims at a church in Ipoh last Sunday. Menteri Besar Datuk Seri Tajol Rosli Ghazali said police were still investigating the case implicating the sailor, hailed a national hero after his solo trip around the world in 1999. He stressed that Perak Mufti Datuk Seri Harussani Zakaria was not involved in spreading the SMS message although his name got a mention in the message by the original sender. Speaking to reporters after a meeting with senior officers of the Perak Islamic Religious Department (JAIP) here Thursday, Tajol Rosli said that police were investigating the case under the Sedition Act 1948. He also said that an investigation carried out by JAIP found the allegations that some Malay students of the Ungku Omar Polytechnic here had converted to Christianity to be untrue. He said that JAIP had been investigating apostasy among Muslims for some time as Harussani had also issued a memorandum on it to the Rulers Council. Police would also be meeting Harussani who is scheduled to return from Syria Friday, he said.

On the meeting between Sultan Azlan Shah and Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Musa Hassan at Istana Kinta Wednesday, Tajol Rosli said it was a courtesy call on the Perak ruler. Musa also informed Sultan Azlan that the police would be meeting Harussani to discuss the investigation into the SMS message, he said. Perak Police Chief Datuk Abdul Aziz Bulat could not be reached for comment but it is understood that police have roped in six people to assist in their investigation into the case . Last Sunday, about 1,000 Muslims from political parties and non-governmental organisations (NGOs) gathered outside the Silibin church in Ipoh to check out the authenticity of the SMS message.
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Azhar Gives Statement To Police On Baptism Issue – IGP; November 09, 2006 21:59 PM PUTRAJAYA, Nov 9 (Bernama) -- Police have recorded a statement from national mariner Datuk Azhar Mansor who is linked to the SMS on attempts by certain groups to baptise Muslims at a church in Perak on Sunday. Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Musa Hassan said his statement was recorded to assist police in their investigations to find out who sent the offensive SMS which touched on religious sensitivities. So far, seven people, suspected of sending the SMS, have been called in for questioning, he said.

"I'm still waiting for the outcome of investigations before proposing our recommendations to the Attorney-General," he told reporters. Wednesday, Musa had an audience with the Sultan of Perak, Sultan Azlan Shah, to brief him on the progress of investigations into the issue and on the tension the SMS had caused between two religious groups in the state. The SMS, which has been circulating since last Thursday, had alleged that Azhar would lead some 600 Muslim students to be baptised at a church in Silibin, Ipoh. The SMS also alleged that Perak Mufti Datuk Seri Harussani Zakaria had announced on Nov 4 during a programme at the State Mosque that the baptism would take place. On Sunday, several hundred Muslims gathered at the Our Lady of Lourdes Church from 7.30am. It was later revealed that the church was only having its first Holy Communion for 98 children. Police are probing the case under the Sedition Act 1948 after receiving three reports from the police, Perak Umno Youth and the church. In LANGKAWI, Azhar said he was prepared to meet Perlis Menteri Besar Datuk Seri Shahidan Kassim and State Mufti Datuk Alim Panglima Mat Jahya Hussin on the SMS issue that he had renounced Islam.????? (Note: SMS was on Coversion by Azhar!!!!)

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Azhar as in 1999
ABOVE & BELOW: File Pictures (circa 1999) from AsianYatching. Read more here during his recognition & Read more here for the HERO'S WELCOME

UPDATE 4: 8th Nov 06


National Mariner Keeps Mum Over Religious Status November 08, 2006 01:12 AM

LANGKAWI, Nov 8 (Bernama) -- National mariner Datuk Azhar Mansor Tuesday declined to reply to reporters' queries on his religious status at a press conference at a restaurant in Telaga Harbour Park in Pantai Kok here. He said he wanted the authorities to complete their investigation into an allegation spread by short messaging service (SMS) linking him to the baptism of a number of Muslims at a church in Ipoh, Perak, last Sunday. Following the SMS, a group of Muslims and members of non-governmental organisations gathered at a church in Ipoh to verify the claim. Azhar said it was hoped that the investigation would reveal the agenda as well as the objective of those who had sent the SMS that attracted the attention of many people, particularly Muslims. "Such accusations have been hurled at me since I started sailing in 1999. I hope that after the outcome of the investigation is announced, it will clear my name and would not be linked to such issues any more," he said. "The matter (of baptism) that happened in Ipoh may have its blessings," said Azhar, who has three children and would turn 50 in February next year. He said he would keep to his pledge to issue a statement in the near future.

Azhar became famous after successfully sailing solo around the world in the "Jalur Gemilang" sail boat in 1999.= = = = = = =

ISA Can Be Used Against SMS Rumour Mongers; November 07, 2006 19:42 PM
KUALA TERENGGANU, Nov 7 (Bernama) -- Those involved in spreading rumours via
the short-messaging service (SMS) that several hundred Malays would be converted at a church in Ipoh last Sunday could be hauled up under the Internal Security Act (ISA). Deputy Minister of Internal Security Datuk Johari Baharum said the government viewed the matter seriously and would not hesitate to use the ISA against those responsible. "The incident in Perak recently is serious as it could lead to unrest. We will not hesitate to use the ISA if the situation turns for the worse and becomes chaotic.

"This is not good for national security, especially when Malaysia is made up of people of many races and religious backgrounds," he said at a Hari Raya gathering by Terengganu police, here Tuesday. Asked whether a "Datuk" was involved, Mohd Johari said: "Nowadays, there are many Datuks and not all are good. We do not care if he is a Datuk or not. If he is responsible, then action will be taken." He added that the government's move to register all prepaid mobile phone users would make it easier for the police to track down the culprits responsible for spreading the SMS. Mohd Johari who was on his first visit to the state since becoming Deputy Minister of Internal Security said a new police contingent building costing RM80 million was being planned for Terengganu. –
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Five People Quizzed Over SMS; November 07, 2006 13:11 PM
IPOH, Nov 7 (Bernama) -- Perak police have questioned five people over the dissemination of information via the short-messaging service (SMS) that several hundred Malays were to be baptised at a church in Silibin last Sunday. Perak police chief Datuk Abdul Aziz Bulat said police had recorded their statements and were still searching for a few more whom the police believed could help with their investigation into the case.
"We will conduct a thorough investigation from all angles before submitting the findings to the public prosecutor," he told reporters after attending a monthly gathering of the Perak police chief here Tuesday.

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UPDATE 3
: 7th Nov 06

Azhar’s religious status as Muslim under probe; Tuesday November 7, 2006;

KANGAR: Perlis Religious Adviser Datuk Mat Jahya Husein will investigate and meet with national mariner Datuk Azhar Mansor who is alleged to have renounced Islam and is now residing in Australia. Mentri Besar Datuk Seri Shahidan Kassim said the outcome of the investigation would be released to the public to confirm the status of Azhar's faith, according to Bernama. “Apostasy is included in the law of every state and the state government will ensure that it is investigated thoroughly,” he told reporters. “The allegation involves a citizen of Perlis and concerns the individual’s religion. “We have to investigate it thoroughly as we fear that we would be accused of not doing our job and not paying attention to such matters.” Azhar, who was in Langkawi yesterday, said he would respond to the allegations after the authorities had completed their investigations. Azhar's brother Azham, 56, said it was slanderous for anyone to suggest that Azhar had converted to Christianity. “These are all lies,” he said. I am sure, and I know my brother. He is a Muslim. Please, don’t disturb him anymore,” he was quoted as saying in mStar, the Malay news portal of The Star.

November 06, 2006 22:30 PM
PM Calls For Tough Action Against Those Who Sent Misleading SMS
From Mohd Kamel Othman


ISLAMABAD, Nov 6 (Bernama) -- Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi, Monday called for tough action against the people who had sent out a misleading short messaging service (SMS), Sunday with racial and religious overtones.

"They must be penalised severely whatever their intention may have been," he told Malaysian journalists here. Abdullah, who is also Internal Security Minister, said he has directed the police to investigate because those who sent the SMS harboured evil and mischievous intentions to arouse anger and reaction that could lead to racial and religious tension. "I have said all along that religion is a sensitive issue and cannot be made fun of. It cannot be used to scare or shock people or for fun. This is not a joke," he said. He said action must be taken whatever the intention was of the sender or senders because the SMS has been circulated.

Abdullah was asked to comment on the circulation of an SMS yesterday that a number of Muslims would be baptised at a church in Ipoh. Following the SMS, a group of Muslims including representatives of several non-governmental organisations gathered at the compound of the church to seek verification. Abdullah said he spoke with Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Musa Hassan, Sunday and was informed that the SMS message was misleading and no Malays were baptised at the Ipoh church. The prime minister advised the people not to entertain such SMS and also not to circulate it either."The receivers of such messages are sometimes eager to pass them on to their friends. As such, the public helps in their dissemination. That is the problem. They do not have to pass on the SMS," he said.

Commenting on the publication of articles on sex in an English newspaper (MALAY MAIL)over the weekend, Abdullah said it was improper to carry such stories in newspapers in Malaysia. "We have to know that such matters are not discussed openly in our society. Therefore, we must understand and not publish such stories," he said. The people and country do not stand to lose anything if such articles are not published, he said.

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UPDATE 2: 6TH Nov 06;
And look who are the rumors mongers (using SMS) but the influential religious people themselves. From the messages, names and telephone numbers were gleaned and they traced back to them and rightly the Information Minister Datuk Seri Zainuddin admonished them by “advising them” (See below). He also posed the question “what benefit and pride Muslims derived by relating that 100,000 or 200,000 Muslims had embraced Christianity” Nothing to do with pride and benefit; It is the F E A R;

Now will stern action be taken against them as advocated By Datuk Najib? See Below. Just wait & see.


Religious Leaders Advised Not To Spread Messages Without Verification; November 06, 2006 19:16 PM

MELAKA, Nov 6 (Bernama) -- Information Minister Datuk Seri Zainuddin Maidin, Monday appealed to influential religious leaders against disseminating sensitive messages that can lead to security problems without verifying their authenticity with the right people. He said the dissemination of rumours via the short messaging service (SMS) could spark alarming religious misconceptions. "An SMS that calls on people to gather for a demonstration similar to what happened in Ipoh yesterday is a mischievous, irresponsible and anti-national act," he told reporters after receiving the Darjah Gemilang Seri Melaka (DGSM) award carrying the "Datuk Seri" title conferred on him in conjunction with the 68th birthday of Melaka Yang Dipertua Negeri Tun Khalil Yaakob, here.
Zainuddin was commenting on a report on the circulation of an SMS that there was going to be the baptism of a number of Muslims at a church in Ipoh, Sunday.

ABOVE & BELOW: The religious leaders & NGOs representatives at the Church checking & the FRU kept watch

Following the circulation of the SMS, a group of Muslims, including representatives of several non-governmental organisations, gathered at the compound of the church to verify the matter, which turned out to be the baptism of 110 Indian children. "It is important that we learn from yesterday's case that we should not be easily taken in by rumours spread via the SMS, particularly to fan religious sentiments.

ABOVE & BELOW: What was happening inside the Church but to pray?

”But this matter arose when the religious people themselves believed the baseless claim that 200,000 Muslims in Malaysia had embraced Christianity," he said, expressing regret that the claim had been repeated often. Zainuddin asked what benefit and pride Muslims derived by relating that 100,000 or 200,000 Muslims had embraced Christianity. "What is the benefit? You are only helping with the propaganda of other religions." He said as responsible people, they should raise issues based on facts and not assumptions or information derived from the Internet that were baseless. Replying to questions from reporters, Zainuddin said it was up to the relevant authorities to haul up the religious leaders said to have been responsible for circulating the message. "When occupying a high and influential position, we must speak based on facts. Only then will the people respect us and there is credibility," he said.
Zainuddin said Sunday's incident had caused a predicament for many quarters, including the Information Ministry, police and the security authorities, and could pose a threat to national stability.
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Najib Wants Firm Action On Malays To Embrace Christianity SMS Senders; November 06, 2006 15:33 PM
JOHOR BAHARU, Nov 6 (Bernama) -- Deputy Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak wants firm action taken against those who spread short messaging service (SMS) information and e-mail that a group of Malays would be "embracing Christianity" in Ipoh yesterday. Najib said he had already spoken to Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Musa Hassan on the matter and wanted the authorities to conduct an immediate investigation.

"Firm action must be taken against those responsible because the SMS message is dangerous as it can lead to racial conflict and create a tense situation in the country," he told reporters after closing the Johor Umno Convention here Monday. Najib who touched on the SMS in his speech earlier, regarding the message as an incitement, said: "We must find out who is behind the SMS message." The SMS and e-mail said that "several Malays will be baptised by Datuk Azhar Mansor" at a church in Ipoh. The SMS was so widespread that more than 1,000 Muslims throughout the state gathered in protest outside the church yesterday. Azhar's elder brother, Azham, also denied rumours that the national mariner was an apostate and was residing in Australia. Azham considered the SMS and e-mail as pure lies. "The SMS was a lie," he said. Najib said those who were said to have embraced Christianity were in fact a group of some 100 people from the Indian community. In his speech, Najib also spoke on the Inter-Faith Commission (IFC), which was raised earlier by Johor Umno Liaison Committee chairman Datuk Abdul Ghani Othman who considered the IFC's formation was against the Federal Constitution which had enshrined Islam as the official religion. "This IFC, if its becomes a reality, will have powers that are beyond religious matters including the affairs of the Syariah Court. As such, the proposal to form IFC must be rejected altogether and not merely be postponed," said Abdul Ghani. Najib said Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi had announced that the IFC's formation had been postponed. "That is the diplomatic way but what it means is that the IFC is not on. ”The sentiments were the same during discussions by the Umno Supreme Council. Umno is the defender of Islam and no one must try to violate its sanctity." Najib added that Umno's struggles had always been based on the principle that "Umno itu Melayu dan Melayu itu Umno" (Umno and the Malays are one).
"As such, our struggles and policies centred around Malays and Islam. Umno was responsible for not only making Islam the religion of the federation but also a complete way of life and ensured that the policies are in line with Islam." He said when the Malays and Islam could be accepted as one, only then the role of the party in achieving independence and continued peace and harmony without diluting the Malays and Islam as the "core of the nation" could be appreciated. Najib said although the Malays were "the core of the nation", it did not mean that they could not share power with other races or deny them the opportunity. "Far from it. We have always been considerate to the other races but they must also not deny the Malays their rights," he added.
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Police Call Up Several Individuals To Assist In SMS Probe

IPOH, Nov 6 (Bernama) -- Police will continue to call up several individuals to help in the probe into the dissemination of short-messaging-service (SMS) notes that claimed Muslims were being baptised in a church here. Perak police chief Datuk Abdul Aziz Bulat said investigations were being carried out under the Sedition Act and the first individual had already been called up this morning for an interview. "We will call up several people who were clearly mentioned in the SMS and also based on the (telephone) number (obtained). We are tracing the source of the SMS," he told reporters at the Perak Darul Ridzuan building, here Monday. Following the dissemination of the SMS notes, a group of Muslims including representatives of several non-governmental organisations (NGOs) had gathered within the church grounds to check on the baptism which actually involved 110 children of Indian origin. He said three police reports had been lodged yesterday afternoon concerning the incident by the police, Perak Umno Youth and the church concerned. It is learnt that police would continue to monitor gatherings at the church for as long as it is deemed necessary.


Meanwhile, Menteri Besar Datuk Seri Tajol Rosli Ghazali hoped that such incidents would not be exaggerated in future as it was a sensitive matter and could lead to unrest. "We are living in a peaceful multi-racial society. There must be mutual respect between one another and between the people of various races and religions," he said. He also praised Abdul Aziz, who had only assumed the post of Perak police chief recently, and the police for their wisdom in handling the incident.

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The false SMS stating that 600 Politeknik Ungku Omar "Muslim" students from Jalan Dairy, Ipoh had been converted to Christians and several Malays will be converted in a Church in Jalan Silibin, IPOH by Dato Azhar Mansur caused some uneasyness in the church as Muslims were were told to gather there by 8.00 am to protest. The Police took the necessary precautions and stationed the Federal reserve Unit there from 7 am till 1pm. More than a 1000 people turned up from various parts of Perak and other towns.
The "Muslims" coming out of the Church turned out to be Indians. Police chief ask people NOT to listen to these rumours, but the Perak Pusat Khidmat Islam secretary Mohd Nazri Sahad was ACTUALLY there (i.e. he believed in the SMS message) as he said he was there "to check if there was any truth to the message".

Perak CPO Regrets Irresponsible Acts Of SMS Senders; November 05, 2006 17:14 PM

IPOH, Nov 5 (Bernama) -- Perak Police Chief Datuk Abdul Aziz Bulat Sunday expressed regret over the irresponsible acts by individuals who spread racial and sensitive religious messages via the short-messaging-system (SMS). He said their acts could jeopardise social and religious harmony in the country.

As such, Abdul Aziz advised the public to be wary of such messages and avoid from being easily influenced by them. He was speaking to reporters here today when asked to comment on rumours of an SMS message regarding a baptism ceremony at a church for a group of "Muslims".



ABOVE: The offending False SMS:
"Sejumlah melayu akan dibaptiskan oleh Dato Azhar Mansor esok di Gereja Silibin Ipoh. Seramai 600 pelajar Politeknik Ungku Omar Ipoh telah masuk Kristian. Pendedahan oleh Mufti Perak ptg td di masjid Negeri. Pagi esok 8 pg dmntrasi bantahan besaran depan gereja Silibin. Dtg bramai2 [obscured text] NGO2 Sebarkan Demi agama"

Translated into English, it says :

A number of Malays will be baptised by Dato Azhar Mansor tomorrow at the Ipoh Silibin Church. A total of 600 students of the Ungku Omar Polytechnic in Ipoh have converted to Christianity. Exposé by the Mufti of Perak last afternoon at the State Mosque. A large demonstration will be held in protest at 8 am tomorrow morning in front of the Silibin church. Turn up in numbers [obscured text] NGOs. Distribute this for our religion's sake

ABOVE & BELOW: The curious crowds were wondering what the police were doing at the Church.

ABOVE & BELOW: The curious protesters who were roped in and went to the Church

As a result of the message, several representatives of a non-governmental organisation gathered at the church's premises only to find out that the ceremony was for 110 Indian children. "We do not know what prompted the sending of the SMS. Perhaps there are some people who want to disrupt the country's harmony," he told reporters when met at the church premises.

ABOVE & BELOW: The FRU were at hand to ensure the protesters were orderly in their show of support for the false rumours in the SMS

Abdul Aziz said a Federal Reserve Unit had been stationed there since 7am until 1pm when the crowd adjourned peacefully. He said they would monitor the situation and conduct further investigation into the SMS incident.



Meanwhile, Perak Islamic Religious Department Director (ABOVE) Datuk Jamry Sury said the department would also investigate the case and would take action against the culprit.


ABOVE: Azham Mansur (adik of Dato' Azhar Mansur" confirmed that his brother Dato's Azhar Mansur is "seorang umat Islam sejati"

NB: Dato Azhar Mansur is the famous Malaysian sailor who sailed round the world solo in his yatch. Check out here to find out “Is he also an apostate?” If you have the F A C T S, sent them to him as proof.= = = = = =

UPdate from STAR,

Cops to probe baptism SMS; By CHAN LI LEEN; Monday November 6, 2006

IPOH: The police are investigating a rumour which spread like wildfire through SMS, claiming that a group of Muslims will be baptised at a church here. As a result, a large crowd gathered at the Church of Our Lady of Lourdes in Silibin from 7.30am yesterday to protest against the alleged baptism only to find out that it was actually the first Holy Communion for 98 Indian children. State police chief Deputy Comm Datuk Aziz Bulat said the police would verify how the SMS had started.

There could be some people out there who have a personal agenda to create disharmony among the races,” he said when met at the church. DCP Aziz said the police had also received the text message and had, therefore, placed the Federal Reserve Unit on standby since 7am. He advised the public to be wary of such messages. “Don't accept everything you read or hear as total truth,” he said, adding that he would call on all involved parties to help with the investigation. The protesters, who included members of opposition parties and non-governmental organisations, gathered for some four hours and refused to disperse initially despite warnings from the police. They finally started to leave at 11.20am after Deputy OCPD (II) Supt Lai Yong Heng issued a stern warning. Perak Religious Department director Datuk Jamry Sury, who was present to monitor the situation, said the department would also investigate the incident. “We will take action against the culprit,” he added.

Perak Pusat Khidmat Islam secretary Mohd Nazri Sahad said he was there to check if there was any truth to the message. The police were still on standby at the church last night. Father Fabian Dicom, spokesman for the Catholic Diocese of Penang, which covers Perak, said the church was extremely concerned that a group of people had been sowing ill-will through rumours.

“We are concerned as to how others have come to believe these rumours,” he added. He noted that the incident had also infringed on the church members' right to worship. “The Catholic Church has always believed that dialogue is the best platform to resolve issues and as such is extremely disappointed that there was no attempt whatsoever for dialogue,” he said.

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JOHOR SULTAN’s Call: Demolish CAUSEWAY; First HAPPENED 40 Years AGO; Since Then REPEATED-VARIOUS WAYS; Causeway the Cause of MAHATHIR /ABDULLAH RIFT

UPDATE: 5th Nov 2006; 19:51pm; Responses from Singapore & Foreign Minister Datuk Seri Syed Hamid Albar

Comments from Singapore Minister Mentor, Lee Kuan Yew

“Our neighbors are determined to catch up with us. We have seen the big plans in South Johore. They are going to build a city 2.5 times bigger than Singapore. They have got the money from oil & gas, we have to compete. We will survive. This place is stable, well run. There will be no gangsters, no pimps, and drug traffickers around the casinos. This is a red dot, we will make it redder and brighter
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Johor Causeway Will Remain, Says PM; From Mohd Kamel Othman; November 05, 2006 23:37 PM ISLAMABAD, Nov 5 (Bernama) -- Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi said Sunday the Johor Causeway built during the British colonial administration would remain as it is. "At present, we have to use the causeway. It is true that ships can pass (through the strait) if the causeway is not there," he told Malaysian journalists covering his three-day official visit to Pakistan from Saturday. Abdullah said the focus of the government now was on efforts to develop the southern Johor region for the benefit of Johor and the country. The prime minister was asked to comment on a statement by Sultan Iskandar of Johor that the causeway should be removed to enable ships to use the Tebrau Strait that separates Johor and Singapore. The sultan, speaking at the launch of the South Johor Economic Region (SJER) project, now called the Iskandar Development Region project, in Teluk Danga Saturday, said the causeway prevented ships from passing through the Tebrau Strait. Asked whether he was surprised by the statement by the Sultan of Johor, Abdullah said: "I was not surprised." Abdullah said the development of the southern Johor region could provide more opportunities to the people of Johor to increase investment and trade and step up economic activities in the area that would bring "ripple effect" benefits for the whole country. The Iskandar Development Region would serve as a catalyst for the country's economic growth, he said. "The region will be the sole massive development area that will make it one of the largest economic growth and trading areas of Southeast Asia," he said. Asked to comment on a statement by Umno secretary-general Datuk Seri Radzi Sheikh Ahmad on the possibility of Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad's criticisms against the government being debated at next week's Umno general assembly if the matter was contained in his policy speech as party president, Abdullah said his speech for the assembly was not ready yet. "My policy speech is not ready yet. Therefore, I do not want to make any comments now," he said.= = = = = =

Call To Demolish Causeway "Curious", Says S'pore

By Jackson Sawatan November 05, 2006 11:37 AM
SINGAPORE, Nov 5 (Bernama) -- The Singapore Foreign Ministry has described as "curious" the remark by the Sultan of Johor who called for the demolition of the Johor Causeway. A ministry spokesman said in a Channel NewsAsia (CNA) report that Singapore did not believe the call represented the Malaysian government's position. Sultan Iskandar caused a stir at the launching of the multi-billion ringgit South Johor Economic Region (SJER) project at Danga Bay in Johor Baharu yesterday when he said in an off-the-text remark that the causeway should be demolished. "Causeway tu, bukakan...baru negeri Johor ni maju (the causeway has to be demolished, only then Johor will develop," the Sultan said before launching the project which was televised live. CNA had also asked Malaysian Foreign Minister Datuk Seri Syed Hamid Albar for his reaction on the Sultan's call. Syed Hamid said: "I think the most important thing is for us to put the speech and comment in its proper context. "I think what is most important is that we must always learn from the lessons of the past and make sure whatever development we are going to undertake will bring benefit to our well-being, for the good of our people."
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Singapore stands to gain from Malaysia's South Johor Economic Region
Posted: 04 November 2006 2247 hrs
Malaysia unveils US$105b project to turn Johor into thriving economic hub

Singapore stands to gain from Malaysia's South Johor Economic Region Singapore's Changi Airport and sea ports will eventually be the major gateways for the movement of goods and passengers from Malaysia's South Johor Economic Region (SJER). The SJER is a project by Malaysia to turn its southern Johor state into a prosperous metropolis similar to Hong Kong or Shenzhen. When completed in 2025, the SJER will be 2.5 times the size of Singapore and it is set to become Malaysia's second metropolis after the capital Kuala Lumpur. Malaysia plans to turn the SJER into not just a logistical hub but also a centre for medical, educational as well as financial services. Singapore stands to gain from this development. Johor's Economic Planning Unit says Singapore's ports and Changi Airport will be the major outlets for SJER exports. Singapore also stands to gain in another way.

Under the SJER, two zones in Johor Bahru and the Second Link will be known as Free Access Zones where Singaporeans can enter Malaysia without using their passports or going through the immigration. This proposal, which is meant to attract tourists and foreign workers to the area, is in its preliminary stages. And for the economic region to develop and grow, the Sultan of Johor has suggested demolishing the Causeway linking Johor and Singapore. He said that without the Causeway, the Johor economy would prosper. But it's a suggestion the federal government does not seem inclined to take up. Malaysian Foreign Minister, Syed Hamid Albar, said: "I think the most important thing is for us to put the speech and comment in its proper context. I think what is most important is that we must always learn from the lessons of the past and make sure whatever development we are going to undertake will bring benefit to our well-being, for the good of our people." Responding to the call to demolish the 82-year-old Causeway, Singapore's Ministry of Foreign Affairs said it found the Sultan's remark curious. An MFA spokesman said Singapore doesn't believe the call represents the Malaysian government's position. - CNA/ir

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The Sultan’s call was perhaps justified as the Causeway had been a gift to the state from Sultan Ibrahim and the federal government had never had any part in the building of the Causeway. But with Visit Malaysia Year is just coming, the timing was offside. It is easier said than to carry it out. Supporters for the demolition of the causeway were obviously for the scenic bridge replacement which was rightly abandoned by the present Government (see previous post here )for the high cost and technical reasons available here. The call to demolish the causeway is nothing new and has been on and off since Singapore separated from Malaysia.

Short is our memory but long is the pain in the relationship between Johore and Singapore. 40 years ago in 1966, after Indonesia recognized Singapore, the speaker of the Johor legislative assembly reflecting a popular sentiment, said the Causeway was "more a hindrance than anything else" and called for its demolishment so that “a port could be built around Johor Baru and ships could call there”.

Then 10 years later, in 1986, the visit of Israeli president Chaim Herzog to Singapore resulted in another bout of such demands with accusations that Sinagpore’s ambition was to make Johor Baru became a "ghost town" and Johor like the “West Bank in Jordan” There was also a demonstration at the Causeway, led by lawyer Abdul Razak Ahmad, deputy president of the People's Socialist Party

The lists go on and on and there were many instances using the causeway as the bone of contention between the two nations when the problem is basically economics jealousy. Hary Lee the Minster Mentor had said “the causeway must be a bridge, not a barrier, between the two countries.” Khazanah Nasional was quick to come out with a call on Johoreans to stop being narrowed minded when dealing with Singapore whose Changi Airport and sea ports will eventually be the major gateways for the movement of goods and passengers from the South Johor Economic Region (SJER). The top brass tried to allay the fears of Johoreans.

Now read on…for the causeway traffic snarls and the antics of Johore Customs to choke it and rendered it “demolished and inter alia

Demolish Causeway - Sultan Iskandar; November 04, 2006 17:16 PM
November 04, 2006 17:16 PM
ABOVE; The prime Minister (left), the Johor Sultan (Right) with the Mentri Besar Abdul Ghani and his wife together with Sultan's Consort (Blue) admiring a model of the SJER Project


JOHOR BAHARU, Nov 4 (Bernama) -- The Sultan of Johor, Sultan Iskandar, on Saturday called for demolition of the Johor Causeway, the southern gateway into Malaysia, to provide the passage for ships to pass through the Tebrau Straits which separates Malaysia and Singapore. He said the causeway, built by the British colonialists, was blocking ships from passing through the Tebrau Straits. This had subjected Johor to constant condemnation, he said. "The causeway has to be demolished, only then Johor will develop," he said when launching the multi-billion ringgit South Johor Economic Region (SJER) project in Danga Bay here today. Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi was present. Built in 1920, the causeway, spanning 1,050m in length from Johor Baharu to Singapore and 18.18m in width, accommodates two railway lines and a 7.87m-wide road. A water pipeline from Johor to Singapore and a telecommunication cable also pass through the causeway. On the SJER project, a joint initiative of the federal and state governments, the Sultan said he was confident the project would succeed with the cooperation of all parties. He hoped it would open up opportunities for Johoreans and the benefits reaped by people from all strata of society in the state. He also reminded Johoreans to learn a lesson from the experiences of the forefathers who were easily deceived by the British.

"We better not be naive to be not cheated again," he said. The Ruler thanked the federal government, particularly Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi, for allocating a substantial amount for Johor's economic development. The Sultan later placed an iconic time capsule at the project site which would be kept until 2025.

In conjunction with the launch, the massive SJER project, developed by Khazanah Nasional, the federal government's investment arm, was given a new name -- Iskandar Development Region. The project entails RM47 billion investment in the first five years from 2006 to 2010 and RM335 billion in the next 15 years between 2011 and 2025.

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Khazanah Tells Johoreans To Be Open Minded When Dealing With Singapore; November 04, 2006 22:41 PM

JOHOR BAHARU, Nov 4 (Bernama) -- Khazanah Nasional today called on Johoreans to stop being narrowed minded when dealing with Singapore whose Changi Airport and sea ports will eventually be the major gateways for the movement of goods and passengers from the South Johor Economic Region (SJER). Its Senior Vice President in the Managing Director's Office Ahmad Shahizam Mohd Shariff said today that Johoreans must be realistic in their assessments and look at the SJER plan from the economic and geographical perspective. "We should not look at it merely as a relationship between south Johor and Singapore but also the overall relationship of the state with Port Klang, Penang and the rest of Malaysia as well as Indonesia. "Why look at the narrow differences, why not look at its strength potential in the region," he said when asked whether Khazanah had taken into account political considerations and implications for Johor when drawing up the plan. Ahmad was speaking to reporters at a SJER briefing held after its launching today by Sultan Iskandar of Johor at the Danga Bay here. Also present was Khazanah Nasional Senior Vice President Ismail Ibrahim who led the team that drew-up the SJER master plan after it was conceptualized by Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi about 15 months ago. Besides Changi Airport and the Singapore ports link, under the SJER, two zones, in Johor Baharu and the Second Link, will be known as Free Access Zones where Singaporeans can enter the country without using their passports or going through the immigration. Ismail, who hails from Penang, when commenting about it said that the well- being of Johoreans had always been in his mind when drawing up the plan. "The concerns of Johoreans had always been foremost on our minds as we cannot do something in isolation. However, the main concern had been to bring wealth to the people of Johor and enhance their livelihoods. "They (Johoreans) must come to terms with this, so that is why I think that at the end of the day, if we can properly and deliberately spell out these objectives and concerns it will show that we are actually addressing their problems. Then I think the people in south Johor will be able to accept what we are doing for them," he added. A leader from a local pig farmers association when told about this by Bernama said that the federal government should have asked for more trade concessions from Singapore before agreeing to open up the state. He said that pig farmers themselves had suffered more than enough since the Singapore government banned pork meat from Johor since 1990 due to a health scare.

The same ordeal had also been suffered by vegetables and poultry farmers in the state whose goods were often blocked from entering the country allegedly on health grounds by the Singapore authorities. These blockades, he claimed were very unfair as the farmers suffered huge losses each time as foods were perishable items. The Pasir Gudang Port that was established in 1980 and Port of Tanjung Pelepas, which was established six years ago, were initially conceived to stop the state from continuing to rely on Singapore ports.

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A case of blackmail? Perspective: Straits Times Oct 18, 1997.

MANDARIN oranges and cement are some of the things that have been at the centre of Causeway tussles in the past. A look back in history shows there is more to the current Causeway clamp than meets the eye. By Chua Lee Hoong

IT IS not, of course, but it could almost be -- that is, an anniversary celebration by Johor Customs officials. Eight years ago, on exactly the same day -- Oct 3 -- Johor Customs officials started a campaign of meticulous checks on lorries, ostensibly to prove they were doing their jobs. The result? Queues stretching back several kilometres from the Causeway. Some lorries even stopped sending goods to Singapore. But there is one marked difference between 1989 and now. Then, the initiative was purely private. Customs officers decided on the go-slow themselves, in retaliation against some lorry drivers who had complained to the authorities about their more avaricious ways. Just a few days before, acting on tip-offs, the Anti-Corruption Agency had hauled up six of their colleagues after finding some $300 in small denominations at their counters. They were not supposed to have more than a few dollars there. Now, the initiative is from the federal authorities in Kuala Lumpur. Even the Johor Customs chief, Mr Lasa Mohamad Desa, does not know when he can call off the checks. He has to wait for instructions from Kuala Lumpur.

The motivation this time is less apparent. The ostensible reason, to weed out smugglers and tax evaders, does not stand up to scrutiny. If indeed there are smugglers and tax evaders, the proper thing to do is to get more informed intelligence and then mount a more focused operation. The theory that the jams are a form of "arm-twisting", to get lorries to use Port Klang instead, is more plausible. The Malaysian government has made no secret of its intention to get companies in Malaysia to import and export through domestic ports, instead of using Singapore's. Their belief: they are only taking back what is theirs. Similar jams have occurred before. Sometimes the modus operandi vary, but the objectives can be depressingly familiar. In 1977 -- the year the Pasir Gudang port near Desaru opened -- the Johor Customs department shortened its opening hours to such an extent that lorry operators complained of losses of as much as M$1,000 a day, in 1977 dollars. But instead of moving operations to Pasir Gudang, these canny operators upped their rates by as much as 60 per cent, and passed costs on to the companies hiring their services.

Innocent jams

NOT all Causeway jams have had such devious roots, of course. Some have been innocuous, such as one in 1977 when the Johor Customs moved its premises. Others occurred for reasons that had nothing to do with Singapore. In October 1981, again following a bribery crackdown, Customs officers embarked on an elaborate examination of items Malaysians brought back after shopping in Singapore. They even acquired a weighing machine to weigh the fruits they brought back. Declaration forms were subject to excruciatingly careful scrutiny. An exasperated editorial in the New Straits Times said: "It's all according to the book, we are told. But mile-long jams at the checkpoints? Can't the Customs officers at least speed-read?" In January 1982, an even bigger jam occurred, but for a different reason. More than 1,000 lorries queued for hours, some overnight, to get back to Malaysia. Part of the reason was the usual pre-Chinese New Year rush, but the larger reason was a recent relaxation of duty-free laws.

The Malaysian government had just exempted from duty consumer goods such as cameras, watches, pens and lighters, and abolished excise duties on household appliances such as cookers, lamps and ovens.

Its intention was to encourage companies to import these items directly from their manufacturing countries. Many Malaysians, however, preferred the short cut -- they trooped to Singapore to buy up these items by the lorry loads. That incident ended positively, with Johor Customs extending its daily operating hours from 12 to 15, to clear the jams. This was at the suggestion of Datuk Musa Hitam, then the deputy prime minister, who also suggested more parking for lorries which arrived at the checkpoint after closing time, so that they would not clog up the roads.

Stops and starts

BUT other snarls at the Causeway have been far from amusing. Some are a mirror of the complex relationship between the countries at its two ends, which, like the traffic, has been a long series of stops and starts. The first big jam was clearly political. It occurred on April 17, 1966, just as Indonesia -- then Malaysia's arch-enemy, following the 1965 Confrontation -- indicated it was going to recognise Singapore as an independent, sovereign nation. According to newspaper reports, the Malaysian Home Affairs ministry ordered a check on all vehicles using the Causeway. None was spared. Even the trains, carrying hundreds of people, were stopped and their passengers checked. Those holding Singapore identity cards were questioned. Two days later, home affairs minister Tun Ismail bin Abdul Rahman announced that all Singapore identity card holders would have to report to the nearest Johor police station whenever they entered the country.

He told reporters the move was to ensure the internal security of Malaysia. Singapore's then prime minister Lee Kuan Yew, he said, had been reported as "welcoming the Jakarta regime's intention to recognise Singapore". "He has been reported as saying that he likes to be friends of friends, and not an enemy of friends' enemies," he said, adding that he had to take such a statement "seriously". What Mr Lee had said to reporters while on a trip to Bangkok was: "Our friends may be your friends, but your foes may not necessarily be our foes." The following year, Singapore and Malaysia introduced formal immigration controls on people crossing the road link. The Johor Causeway had become, in the words of Mr C. V. Devan Nair, a "Johor Wall", like the Berlin Wall. Sir Winston Churchill, Britain's prime minister during the war years, wrote to the London Times to lament the fact.

Demolish the Causeway

AS IF separate immigration controls were not enough, many Malaysians have over the years demanded that the separation go one step further -- demolish the Causeway.

Like calls to cut off the supply of water to Singapore, these calls erupt whenever northern tempers flare against its southern neighbour.

In 1966, after Indonesia recognised Singapore, the speaker of the Johor legislative assembly, Haji Ali bin Haji RayaSingapore, reflecting a popular sentiment, said the Causeway was "more a hindrance than anything else", and was of no use to Malaysia at all, politically or economically.

If it was demolished, he said, a port could be built around Johor Baru and ships could call there.

His call was echoed by activists in Umno.

In 1986, the visit of Israeli president Chaim Herzog to Singapore resulted in another bout of such demands. A letter writer to the Malaysian Berita Harian, Mr Awang bin Noh, said it was because of the Causeway that Johor Baru became a "ghost town" while Singapore prospered. "If we just demolish the Causeway, Johor Baru will thrive as it used to in the past." He added: "Singapore has an ambition to make Johor like the West Bank in Jordan. We should hold military exercises in Johor Baru and its surrounding areas as a warning to Singapore that any country which dares to cross the Straits of Johor will be severely dealt with." There was also a demonstration at the Causeway, led by lawyer Abdul Razak Ahmad, deputy president of the People's Socialist Party. (This is the same Abdul Razak of Tang Liang Hong fame -- the lawyer-friend who highlighted Senior Minister Lee Kuan Yew's remarks on Johor to the media earlier this year.

(Interestingly, he was also the lawyer acting for a group of residents in Gelang Patah in south-west Johor in 1991, wanting compensation from the Malaysian government for having to move to make way for the building of the second link between Tuas and Gelang Patah.) So far, calls to demolish the Causeway have never received any official endorsement from Kuala Lumpur, although there can be no doubt they are allowed, and even encouraged, for their value in getting a point across to the southern neighbour, without breaching diplomatic etiquette.

Even as some quarters called for the Causeway to be blown up, the federal government was going ahead with plans to expand it, ahead of its drive to promote Malaysia as a tourist destination. In August 1988, it revealed a M$300 million blueprint to upgrade the link, including increasing the number of lanes from 14 to 22, and the number of bays from 22 to 55. It was targeted for completion in 18 months, in time for a "Visit Malaysia" year in 1990. As a run-up, 1989 was declared "Visit Johor" year. A "hundred flowers" in Singapore-Johor relations bloomed that year, as the state looked to Singapore actively for investments. Under Mentri Besar Muhyiddin Yasin, Singapore was no longer seen as a threat, but as an opportunity. More hotels and shopping centres were built to woo Singaporeans. A joint Singapore-Johor economic committee was set up. As the state's economic chief, Datuk Ali Hashim noted, both sides now realised there was much to gain by working together.

Previously, he said, they had feared that development in Singapore would dominate, and Johor would become a "client state". On the Singapore side, then prime minister Lee Kuan Yew gave an interview to the Nanyang Siang Pau, saying that the Causeway must be a bridge, not a barrier, between the two countries. The trade and industry ministry gave incentives to companies to relocate to Johor. The Straits Times editorialised: "Where else in the world does a government actually grant tax incentives to companies to invest in a neighbouring country?" Even when the half-tank rule, which requires Singapore cars to have half a tank of petrol before going to Johor, was introduced, the reaction from Johor politicians was equable.

State tourism chief Jimmy Low assured Johoreans that the rule would not affect their businesses. But the reaction up in Kuala Lumpur was markedly different. In a classic example of shadow play, unnamed "official sources" were quoted in the New Straits Times in May as saying that Malaysia was "not keen" on building the second link.

The anonymous sources said the decision was not influenced by the half-tank rule, as Malaysia "had always been tolerant of shows of trade protectionism" by its southern neighbour. Six weeks later, newspaper headlines splashed news of the second link being a firm reality.

Concrete action

IF INDEED it was an act of protectionism, Singapore's half-tank rule counts as very feeble compared to Malaysia's own examples. There have been periodic calls to cut Singapore out of the entrepot trade. During the Herzog incident, for example, a Johor MP called for imports and exports going through Singapore to be diverted to Malaysian ports.

Malaysia has yet to heed calls to demolish the Causeway, but on the trade front, some calls have been translated into action. In 1980, under the pretext of a domestic shortage, Malaysia banned the export of building materials -- bricks, granite, clay, glass, sand and cement -- to Singapore. This was despite appeals by the Johor Quarry Association, which noted that some quarries were in danger of closing because of idle capacity.

The ban was eventually lifted two years later, but not before six of the 11 quarry firms in the state closed down and hundreds of workers were laid off. In January 1984, Malaysia imposed a hefty M$100 levy on all lorries using the Causeway - even empty ones - to deter companies from exporting through Singapore. Six months later leveis were imposed on all cars. The pretext given for the M$1 toll was to recover the costs of building the Senai highway, but motorists - all of them, regardless of whether they were headed for the highway or a satay meal by the roadside - had to pay it at the checkpoint. With some 300,000 cars using the Causeway each day, the Johor state goverment decided to ask the federal authorities for a share of the revenue, as, it argued, the Causeway had been a gift to the state from Sultan Ibrahim and the federal government had never had any part in the building of the Causeway. Hard on the heels of the toll shock came a surprise import tax on cement. Without warning on July 1, 1984, Singaporean firms selling cement to Malaysia found they had to pay M$80 for each tonne of cement. This worked out to between M$800 and M$1600 per trip. The move was in response to complaints from Malaysian cement manufacturers who alleged that Singapore was dumping cement in the Peninsula. Singapore cement was selling at a price 30 per cent cheaper. The Master Builders Association of Malaysia appealed to the federal government, saying it should not encourage the use of local materials "at the expense of efficiency and competitiveness". But even before the dust from the cement war had settled, another war started, this time over mandarin oranges. A consignment of the fruit, which had come from China was held up by Johor Cutoms for five days in January 1985, apparently over some discrepancy in its declaration form.

The Malaysian trade and industry minister, Tengku Razaleigh Hamzah, said all the government wanted was to encourage its companies to import directly from China. There would be no discrimination against those which went through third parties, he said.

But Singaporeans were unconvinced. One said: "It is precisely this kind of bureaucratic delay that can be used to create non-tarriff barriers."

Blackmail

The current lorry jam at the Causeway is certainly another form of non-tarriff barrier. took their anger out on lorry drivers following an anti-corruption crackdown were criticised by many as blackmailers. This time, the Customs officials appear mere pawns in a larger federal game. Could the federal government be the blackmailers now? They were the ones who issued instructions to the Customs department to check all lorries.

The objective appears to be the age old one of getting companies to ship their goods through malaysian ports. Even though, as one company manger said, the infrastructure is "not good" and the clearing times "much longer". Will the arm-twisting succeed? Will companies knuckle under the pressure? Whatever the outcome of the present jam, one thing is certain: the Causeway will continue to be used by KL as an instrument of its policies whenever it suits its purpose. It has had a long history of doing so. Singapore has stood up to the challenge in the past and should be able to counter the current move. After all, it does have one, not insignificant, factor in its favour: the Singapore port, which has an even longer history of being one of the most efficient in the world. That should count for quite a bit in this long drawn saga
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