Sunday, November 18, 2007

BERSIH Organizers Power Crazy & Irresponsible; Sultan & MBs Condemn Bersih Action Using Royalty; Princess - Royal institution remains Aploitical

UPDATE; 11.00pm= = == = Abdullah called them desperados!

November 18, 2007 21:16 PM

Associating King With Illegal Rally Desperate Act, Says Abdullah

KUALA TERENGGANU, Nov 18 (Bernama) -- Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi today described as a desperate act the claim by certain quarters that the Yang di-Pertuan Agong Tuanku Mizan Zainal Abidin had condoned the illegal rally held in Kuala Lumpur on Nov 10. The prime minister said these quarters had made such a claim to muster the support of the people in facing the next general election which could be called any time now. However, he said, the ruse was exposed because the Yang di-Pertuan Agong and the Istana Negara (Palace) never condoned or supported the rally.

"The Yang di-Pertuan Agong has issued a clear and stern statement in the matter. He does not condone any action that was taken linking the name of the palace. "Linking the name of the Yang di-Pertuan Agong to the rally is really a desperate act," he told reporters after a visit to the Islamic Civilisation Park on
Wan Man Island near here. On Friday, Tuanku Mizan issued a statement through the Comptroller of the Royal Household Datuk Wan Mohd Safiain Wan Hasan expressing unhappiness with the claim by certain quarters that he had backed the Nov 10 gathering organised by a body calling itself Bersih and supported by opposition political parties. "The Yang di-Pertuan Agong stresses that he had never, whether directly or indirectly, consented to or supported anyone involved in the rally, or with any other activities contrary to our laws," Wan Safiain had said in the statement
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Malaysiakini so far reported the Agong has expressed his displeasure over Bersih's Actions and now the Pahang Sultan has come out to voice his concerns.But
Bersih never claimed King gave consent
and Police are nowharassing Bersih Leaders Launch of 'yellow day' marred by police harassment still on UPM vs student: It's a terrible joke

BERSIH Organizers Power Crazy & Irresponsible; Sultan & MBs Condemn Bersih Action Using Royalty; Princess - Royal institution remains Aploitical

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Umno vice-president and chief Minister of Melaka Datuk Seri Mohd Ali demanding for a pound of flesh and wants the Bersih leaders be skinned for embarrassing the Government in carrying out the March to the Istana and handing in the Memo for "Freedom & Democracy" and "Free & Fair Elections" as spoken by Datuk Anwar Ibrahim in Al Azaeera Demo Video Clip (see below).

The Pahang Sultan has come out to voice his concerns obviously with the promptings from the MB of Pahang Datuk Adan Yaacob who earlier on has suggested the full force of ISA be used against the organizers.
And then a chorus of Menteri Besars and Minsters are echoing the same views

ABOVE: Menteri Besar Negeri Sembilan, Datuk Seri Mohd Hassan and

BELOW: Minister Pembangunan & Usahawan Dato Seri Moh Khaled Noordin join in the comdemnation

November 17, 2007 22:54 PM

Organisers Of Illegal Rally Should Be Punished - Mohd Ali

MELAKA, Nov 17 (Bernama) -- Those responsible for organising the illegal assembly in Kuala Lumpur on Nov 10 should be punished, said Umno vice-president Datuk Seri Mohd Ali Rustam. He said action should be taken against them not only for organising the rally but also for attempting to drag the royal institution into their antics. "They should apologise to Malaysians," he told reporters here today. Mohd Ali was commenting on reports saying that the Yang di-Pertuan Agong Tuanku Mizan Zainal Abidin was unhappy over claims by certain parties that he and the Palace had backed the illegal rally. The King said this in a statement issued by the Comptroller of the RoyalHousehold Datuk Wan Mohd Safiain Wan Hasan yesterday. Describing the organisers as "power crazy" and "irresponsible", Mohd Ali said their action in holding the gathering had created chaos and anxieties.

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Sunday November 18, 2007

Opposition slammed for trying to use King

KUANTAN: The Sultan of Pahang has blasted those involved in the illegal rally in Kuala Lumpur last Saturday for trying to drag the palace into politics. Sultan Ahmad Shah said: “I am personally disappointed over claims that the King was involved in the gathering which was not true at all, it is just fitnah (slander). “It is also not our culture to go to the streets. It is not nice, improper and against the wishes of all Malaysians.” The people should concentrate on development programmes, including the Ninth Malaysia Plan and the recently launched East Coast Economic Region (ECER), rather than take part in anti-government activities, he told reporters after officially opening the Lembaga Kebajikan Perempuan Islam Malaysia building (BELOW) yesterday.

In ALOR STAR, Tunku Puteri Intan Safinaz said the royal institution should remain apolitical at all costs. “I support Yang di-Pertuan Agong Tuanku Mizan Zainal Abidin who has made his stand very clearly that he and the palace did not support the illegal rally,” the Kedah princess said after opening a Warga Emas health programme on Friday.

In JOHOR BARU, Mentri Besar Datuk Abdul Ghani (BELOW) Othman criticised the Opposition for using the King to further their political agenda. “It is clear that their motive is to paint a bad image of the country,” he said.

= ===== === == = and More Al Jazeera video links

Go H E R E for Links to the following Videos

Part 1 (Forum 9 min 40 s), Part 2(Forum 8min 02s) & Part 3 (Protest Demo Video, 4 in 11s ) Al Jazeera 101 East Forum on Bersih Rally

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BELOW: Part 2(Forum 8min 02s)

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Transcript of the Al Jazeera 101 East Forum on Bersih Rally

1st installment ... Hopefully, Full installment by noon tomorrow..

Check back on a NEW Post

Programme moderator Teymoor Nabili:Joining us in the studio to talk on the events that happened on Saturday 10th November 2007

Khairy Jamuluddin, who is UMNO youth leader and son-in-law of the prime minister; Government Minister, Nazri Abd Aziz and Human Rights defender Malik Imtiaz Sarwar
Thank you Gentlemen for being with us today

Tayeel Nabili: Lets us begin if we could by getting an idea on what happened on that weekend. There were many different perspectives on what exactly was going on

Nazri: I was in my constituency. I was told that the Police from the paper that I read the Police had a few police blocks outside the city to prevent people from coming in. For this reason the fear that there might be weapons which may be used by irresponsible people not necessary the demonstrators. And I was told there was a group of people sparsely distributed in so many areas trying to come into KL

Malik what was your interpretation?

Malik: As early as Friday night, the Police started screening entry into Kuala Lumpur. I read blocks up North and down South trying to deter people coming in for the rally. People started moving into KL by about 10 - 11 o’clock. I myself was caught in a traffic jam as early as 9 o’clock. So to say that the traffic jams was caused by the rally itself, was incorrect. The Police road blocks are the caused of the jams. And then by three o’clock, the event kicked off. There was some commotion in Masjid Jamek area. There was some Al Jazeera news that caught some of that. But the media, the official l media spun it as if that was the only event. What actually happened was a group - some people are putting it as high as 60,000 assembled outside the King’s Palace which was the objective to walk to the King’s Palace as a show of solidarity amongst civil society and present the memorandum which was done

Do you think it was handled well either in a political or policing way?

Khairy: Firstly the policing was absolutely well handled by the RM police force in terns of restrain in terms, in terms of crowd controls, in terms of managing the traffic flow. Imitaz said that the traffic was not caused by the people participating in the demonstration. But the police, but the police that were doing the road blocks were handling the road blocks precisely because there was a demonstration. (I always get back to that)

Imitiaz, let me come back, just to respond to the point that you just made, was it well handled?

Malik have mixed feelings about that, I think I heard stories of how some Police officers assisted marchers as they moved towards the Agong’s palace. But I have also information of what happened in Masjid Jamek. I also read some use of force, some say unnecessary use of force in Jalan Mahajalera. My sense of it is fairly mixed
Government Information Minister has accused Al Jazera of wrongly saying that force was used and in next breath said only water cannons and tear gas was use, and where is the line between force and non-force?
Nazri: Well you know, you have to disperse the assembly. There are no other means to do so. And the only legitimate mean is to use the water cannon and also to use the tear gas. And I know the Police have not use any force because for obvious reason you know, the world has known that there is going to be a big rally on the 10th. And we were under Public Scrutiny not just Malaysia; Al Jazeera within minutes distribute whatever information to whole world. So it is pretty obvious that the police will not use any force as we were under close scrutiny by the whole world.

When 20, 40, 60 thousands people descend upon the central town, at what point do you decide that the rational way is to try to get them to away rather then just say “OK, get on with it, get it over with it and let’s move on”
Nazri: The point is they can’t do this because you know we have Section 27 of the police act which does allow for this and we also have section 141 under penal code which also does not allow this for obvious reasons because....

The law allows marches (No, by Nazri) it is merely (NO) a matter of political decision, this one is Ok, that one isn’t.
Nazri: We don’t allow for this because we have historical background. We are a multi ethnic country….

My point being let say if UMNO had apply for a permit to the Police to go King’s House and present a petition, do you think that would be granted?
Khairy: Can I, can I just answer your original question about when the police decide is on how to handle this. I think they decided to handle precisely how you describe it which was after a while, the demonstrators, the protesters which were gathered there were allowed to King’s residence, Palace and hand over the memorandum. That’s is precisely…

Afetr a while after the water cannon & tear gas..
Khairy: The water cannons and ter gas were confined to a particular area which Imtiaz referred to earlier, but the others as he said were allowed were given free passage to the Palace to hand the memorandum. These are all standard Police operating procedure

The characterization of people who are demanding at least suggesting political changes as somehow being dangerous to the environment, how do you respond to that?
Malik I don’t agree wit the characterization that way. I think you could have been a different way to handle it. There could have been negotiations and we heard no information of an attempt by the Police to negotiate with leaders of groups that were marching in. And I think if the whole point is to shunt them to Agong’s Palace. That could have happened; there is no need to open up the water cannon. There is no need to spray water which we know is laced with Chemicals

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more to come


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