BERSIH Organizers Power Crazy & Irresponsible; Sultan & MBs Condemn Bersih Action Using Royalty; Princess - Royal institution remains Aploitical
UPDATE;
Associating King With Illegal Rally Desperate Act, Says Abdullah
"The Yang di-Pertuan Agong has issued a clear and stern statement in the matter. He does not condone any action that was taken linking the name of the palace. "Linking the name of the Yang di-Pertuan Agong to the rally is really a desperate act," he told reporters after a visit to the Islamic Civilisation Park on
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Malaysiakini so far reported the Agong has expressed his displeasure over Bersih's Actions and now the Pahang Sultan has come out to voice his concerns.But
Bersih never claimed King gave consent
and Police are nowharassing Bersih Leaders Launch of 'yellow day' marred by police harassment
Malaysiakini.tv still on UPM vs student: It's a terrible joke
BERSIH Organizers Power Crazy & Irresponsible; Sultan & MBs Condemn Bersih Action Using Royalty; Princess - Royal institution remains Aploitical
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Umno vice-president and chief Minister of Melaka Datuk Seri Mohd Ali Rustam.is demanding for a pound of flesh and wants the Bersih leaders be skinned for embarrassing the Government in carrying out the March to the Istana and handing in the Memo for "Freedom & Democracy" and "Free & Fair Elections" as spoken by Datuk Anwar Ibrahim in Al Azaeera Demo Video Clip (see below).
The Pahang Sultan has come out to voice his concerns obviously with the promptings from the MB of Pahang Datuk Adan Yaacob who earlier on has suggested the full force of ISA be used against the organizers.
And then a chorus of Menteri Besars and Minsters are echoing the same views
ABOVE: Menteri Besar Negeri Sembilan, Datuk Seri Mohd Hassan and
BELOW: Minister Pembangunan & Usahawan Dato Seri Moh Khaled Noordin join in the comdemnation
Organisers Of Illegal Rally Should Be Punished - Mohd Ali
MELAKA, Nov 17 (Bernama) -- Those responsible for organising the illegal assembly in
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KUANTAN: The Sultan of Pahang has blasted those involved in the illegal rally in
In ALOR STAR, Tunku Puteri Intan Safinaz said the royal institution should remain apolitical at all costs. “I support Yang di-Pertuan Agong Tuanku Mizan Zainal Abidin who has made his stand very clearly that he and the palace did not support the illegal rally,” the Kedah princess said after opening a Warga Emas health programme on Friday.
In JOHOR BARU, Mentri Besar Datuk Abdul Ghani (BELOW) Othman criticised the Opposition for using the King to further their political agenda. “It is clear that their motive is to paint a bad image of the country,” he said.
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Go H E R E for Links to the following Videos
Part 1 (Forum 9 min 40 s), Part 2(Forum 8min 02s) & Part 3 (Protest Demo Video, 4 in 11s ) Al Jazeera 101 East Forum on Bersih Rally
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BELOW: Part 2(Forum 8min 02s)
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Transcript of the Al Jazeera 101 East Forum on Bersih Rally
1st installment ... Hopefully, Full installment by noon tomorrow..
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Programme moderator Teymoor Nabili:Joining us in the studio to talk on the events that happened on
Khairy Jamuluddin, who is UMNO youth leader and son-in-law of the prime minister; Government Minister, Nazri Abd Aziz and Human Rights defender Malik Imtiaz Sarwar
Thank you Gentlemen for being with us today
Tayeel Nabili: Lets us begin if we could by getting an idea on what happened on that weekend. There were many different perspectives on what exactly was going on
Nazri: I was in my constituency. I was told that the Police from the paper that I read the Police had a few police blocks outside the city to prevent people from coming in. For this reason the fear that there might be weapons which may be used by irresponsible people not necessary the demonstrators. And I was told there was a group of people sparsely distributed in so many areas trying to come into KL
Malik what was your interpretation?
Malik: As early as Friday night, the Police started screening entry into
Do you think it was handled well either in a political or policing way?
Khairy: Firstly the policing was absolutely well handled by the RM police force in terns of restrain in terms, in terms of crowd controls, in terms of managing the traffic flow. Imitaz said that the traffic was not caused by the people participating in the demonstration. But the police, but the police that were doing the road blocks were handling the road blocks precisely because there was a demonstration. (I always get back to that)
Imitiaz, let me come back, just to respond to the point that you just made, was it well handled?
Malik have mixed feelings about that, I think I heard stories of how some Police officers assisted marchers as they moved towards the Agong’s palace. But I have also information of what happened in Masjid Jamek. I also read some use of force, some say unnecessary use of force in Jalan Mahajalera. My sense of it is fairly mixed
Government Information Minister has accused Al Jazera of wrongly saying that force was used and in next breath said only water cannons and tear gas was use, and where is the line between force and non-force?
Nazri: Well you know, you have to disperse the assembly. There are no other means to do so. And the only legitimate mean is to use the water cannon and also to use the tear gas. And I know the Police have not use any force because for obvious reason you know, the world has known that there is going to be a big rally on the 10th. And we were under Public Scrutiny not just
When 20, 40, 60 thousands people descend upon the central town, at what point do you decide that the rational way is to try to get them to away rather then just say “OK, get on with it, get it over with it and let’s move on”
Nazri: The point is they can’t do this because you know we have Section 27 of the police act which does allow for this and we also have section 141 under penal code which also does not allow this for obvious reasons because..
The law allows marches (No, by Nazri) it is merely (NO) a matter of political decision, this one is Ok, that one isn’t.
Nazri: We don’t allow for this because we have historical background. We are a multi ethnic country….
My point being let say if UMNO had apply for a permit to the Police to go King’s House and present a petition, do you think that would be granted?
Khairy: Can I, can I just answer your original question about when the police decide is on how to handle this. I think they decided to handle precisely how you describe it which was after a while, the demonstrators, the protesters which were gathered there were allowed to King’s residence, Palace and hand over the memorandum. That’s is precisely…
Afetr a while after the water cannon & tear gas..
Khairy: The water cannons and ter gas were confined to a particular area which Imtiaz referred to earlier, but the others as he said were allowed were given free passage to the Palace to hand the memorandum. These are all standard Police operating procedure
The characterization of people who are demanding at least suggesting political changes as somehow being dangerous to the environment, how do you respond to that?
Malik I don’t agree wit the characterization that way. I think you could have been a different way to handle it. There could have been negotiations and we heard no information of an attempt by the Police to negotiate with leaders of groups that were marching in. And I think if the whole point is to shunt them to Agong’s Palace. That could have happened; there is no need to open up the water cannon. There is no need to spray water which we know is laced with Chemicals
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more to come
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